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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If any thing I think the tramway would have been more aesthecially pleasing than the concrete guideway ever was to tell the truth. Apart from the poles and the wire which are not that obvious these days you would really be hard pressed to see them. The tram tracks could have had grass grow between the rails and on each side like there is in Victoria Square and it would help the enviroment as well if done that way. Like this for those that have not seen it.
DJPeters

The concrete guideway is very visually intrusive, I rode my bike up as far as Klemzig not long ago and it's hard to argue that the track is low profile and unobtrusive. Next time I'll take pictures of any deterioration that I can see in the concrete as it would be interesting to note if they get progressively worse.

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  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Also a lost key advantage with the present trams as well as the cannot be coupled together in normal service only in an emergency like a tram breaking down or similar. The old H class could be coupled into multiple cars though.
DJPeters
Two interesting facts of this are that one H class can seat a lot more than a single Flexity or Citadis and also that after a collision in the now Glenelg East area the policy of multiple unit H class was limited to two units.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Good demonstration of the advantages of the O-Bahn this morning.

The track was closed between Paradise and TTP while SAPOL dealt with a number of suspicious packages (trying to force the issue Don?) but buses were able to maintain service with minor delays by simply diverting along North East Road.

Had that been a tram line instead…
  mawsonboii Station Master

Moving to a different subject, I have noticed Land Lease surveying the areas around stations but anyone know when work will actually begin the electrify the Gawler Line?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Moving to a different subject, I have noticed Land Lease surveying the areas around stations but anyone know when work will actually begin the electrify the Gawler Line?
mawsonboii
Works on that project have been underway since the middle of last year, and it will be complete in mid-late 2020.

Unlike the Seaford line, the Gawler line is being done around the operating railway without any plan for a big year-long shutdown.
  mawsonboii Station Master

Moving to a different subject, I have noticed Land Lease surveying the areas around stations but anyone know when work will actually begin the electrify the Gawler Line?
Works on that project have been underway since the middle of last year, and it will be complete in mid-late 2020.

Unlike the Seaford line, the Gawler line is being done around the operating railway without any plan for a big year-long shutdown.
justapassenger
What works have actually been done?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Works on service relocation, signalling equipment and level crossing equipment have been underway for nearly a year now.

These works are the midfield engine room of the electrification project. When the wires are finally strung up, that's just the full forward banging it in from five metres out.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
REGARDING the Regency Rd to Pym Street section of South Road, I've noticed that the government appears to have acquired and demolished at least one of the houses that will be required recently; also noticed what appears to be a works depot being established on spare land near Torrens Road. Not sure what the time-line is but I'd imagine we'll be seeing more action on that soon.
  mawsonboii Station Master

REGARDING the Regency Rd to Pym Street section of South Road, I've noticed that the government appears to have acquired and demolished at least one of the houses that will be required recently; also noticed what appears to be a works depot being established on spare land near Torrens Road. Not sure what the time-line is but I'd imagine we'll be seeing more action on that soon.
don_dunstan
I think it's an ASAP project. Not sure if they have given a specific timeline, but yeah I also noticed a bit more open land with more houses being demolished
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I had a day off today and didn't feel like driving anywhere; ended up visiting Noarlunga Centre, Hallett Cove and Hove on the train via a bus to the city. It was my first week-day Adelaide Metro experience for a while and my first train trip for the year -

The Seaford train - I must say my experience was pretty good, air conditioning was excellent on a warm-ish day by our standards and the train was beautifully quiet, can't help but feel many of those noise and track ride problems are long gone now. Didn't bother looking up train times as I was in every case not going far from the station, just to see how I went at the average station during the day. In every case I was only six or seven minutes from a train in either direction which was excellent, officially no longer than 15 minutes during the day which is excellent compared to the old diesel Noarlunga line. Even managed to fluke express trains to and from Woodlands Park and that does seem to make a difference to your overall transit time.

Poor old Colonades Shopping Centre is completely dead down the railway station end without Myer... But the part with the new Woolworths was relatively busy.

  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
NB: Forgot to report that the trenching works are well underway at Oaklands Park with the roof over the new station not yet open, I guess the finish date isn't far away. Maybe they did miss an opportunity not making it closer to Marion Shopping Centre/State Swim Centre - also some redundancy in the line might not be too astray - they probably should start planning for overtaking tracks at some points on the line to improve peak express timings.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Finish is scheduled to be at the end of this year and it's not running too far behind schedule.

There will have to be a partial opening before it's complete, as removal of the present station and railway needs to take place.

Hopefully there will still be enough money left to do all the finishing works instead of leaving the site as an unfinished eyesore like the post-apocalyptic wasteland along each side of the T2T project.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Finish is scheduled to be at the end of this year and it's not running too far behind schedule.

There will have to be a partial opening before it's complete, as removal of the present station and railway needs to take place.

Hopefully there will still be enough money left to do all the finishing works instead of leaving the site as an unfinished eyesore like the post-apocalyptic wasteland along each side of the T2T project.
justapassenger
I guess the logic is that they need those bits as staging areas for the next part - I noticed yesterday that more businesses and houses have commenced demolition on the southern end of the Regency-to-Pym; I wonder if Steve Marshall has decided on a bored tunnel Torrens-to-Anzac Highway yet?
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
NB: Forgot to report that the trenching works are well underway at Oaklands Park with the roof over the new station not yet open, I guess the finish date isn't far away. Maybe they did miss an opportunity not making it closer to Marion Shopping Centre/State Swim Centre - also some redundancy in the line might not be too astray - they probably should start planning for overtaking tracks at some points on the line to improve peak express timings.
don_dunstan
It is closer to the shopping centre and swimming centre: not by much, but closer as promised.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
NB: Forgot to report that the trenching works are well underway at Oaklands Park with the roof over the new station not yet open, I guess the finish date isn't far away. Maybe they did miss an opportunity not making it closer to Marion Shopping Centre/State Swim Centre - also some redundancy in the line might not be too astray - they probably should start planning for overtaking tracks at some points on the line to improve peak express timings.
It is closer to the shopping centre and swimming centre: not by much, but closer as promised.
kipioneer
I was trying to catch the dates of the Seaford line's complete closure on the Nine News but I missed the story - and it doesn't seem to be advertised at all on the AdMet or DPTI websites?
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
"3 weeks or there abouts from the 12th April" nine news facebook story.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Saturday 13 April to Sunday 5 May

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Service-Updates/Seaford-and-Tonsley-line-closures

The cancellation of Tonsley service is a mystery. Even if it can't be run by electrics, taking a couple of diesel cars from each of the other lines to run an Adelaide-Tonsley service and reduce the bustitution to a short Tonsley-Brighton sprint along Sturt Road would surely provide a net improvement over the use of Adelaide-Brighton buses.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
don_dunston I believe that the idea of building Oaklands station closer to Marion shopping centre and the swimming pool was looked at, but then someone realised that train stations work best when located near train lines.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Why does this closure need to be 3 weeks?

Would this not work?

  • Lay track and overhead through the trench then
  • Close the service from, say, 8:00pm Friday night and cut in the down track and overhead and reopen the line then
  • Remove that part of the old down line that gets in the way of cutting the up track in then
  • Close the service from, say, 8:00pm Friday night and cut in the up track and overhead and reopen the line then
  • Remove the remaining old track

Total closure perhaps 6 days.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
don_dunston I believe that the idea of building Oaklands station closer to Marion shopping centre and the swimming pool was looked at, but then someone realised that train stations work best when located near train lines.
Aaron
The person who suggested this was the same one that suggested that by moving Clovelly Park south of Allawoona Avenue and renaming it Tonsley would in all ways commensate for the loss of the existing Tonsley station.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Saturday 13 April to Sunday 5 May

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Service-Updates/Seaford-and-Tonsley-line-closures

The cancellation of Tonsley service is a mystery. Even if it can't be run by electrics, taking a couple of diesel cars from each of the other lines to run an Adelaide-Tonsley service and reduce the bustitution to a short Tonsley-Brighton sprint along Sturt Road would surely provide a net improvement over the use of Adelaide-Brighton buses.
justapassenger
Before the existing timetables the Tonsley service was handled by 2 electrics:  there is no reason this couldn't be reimplemented for the closure period.

It would mean stabling some electrics in Adelaide:  1 each in platforms 1 and 2 and 2 on the siding out by the universities, not I would have thought an insurmountable problem.

Transferring passengers from bus to train at Tonsley might be tricky if it were to be done in Lynton Avenue unless parking was temporarily banned in the narrower sections of the street.     It get very crowded there now.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Saturday 13 April to Sunday 5 May

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Service-Updates/Seaford-and-Tonsley-line-closures

The cancellation of Tonsley service is a mystery. Even if it can't be run by electrics, taking a couple of diesel cars from each of the other lines to run an Adelaide-Tonsley service and reduce the bustitution to a short Tonsley-Brighton sprint along Sturt Road would surely provide a net improvement over the use of Adelaide-Brighton buses.
justapassenger
Tonsley can handle 3 trains/hr.  Seaford off peak is 4 tph and peak is 9 tph.  Reallocating diesels from other lines would be popular with commuters, particularly on Gawler. It would go down well on the Port line with the history of closures for T2T and Torrens Jn.

Even if there were trains to Tonsley, there is still a need for buses to cover the intermediate stations between Woodlands and Brighton.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Saturday 13 April to Sunday 5 May

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Service-Updates/Seaford-and-Tonsley-line-closures

The cancellation of Tonsley service is a mystery. Even if it can't be run by electrics, taking a couple of diesel cars from each of the other lines to run an Adelaide-Tonsley service and reduce the bustitution to a short Tonsley-Brighton sprint along Sturt Road would surely provide a net improvement over the use of Adelaide-Brighton buses.
Before the existing timetables the Tonsley service was handled by 2 electrics:  there is no reason this couldn't be reimplemented for the closure period.

It would mean stabling some electrics in Adelaide:  1 each in platforms 1 and 2 and 2 on the siding out by the universities, not I would have thought an insurmountable problem.

Transferring passengers from bus to train at Tonsley might be tricky if it were to be done in Lynton Avenue unless parking was temporarily banned in the narrower sections of the street.     It get very crowded there now.
kipioneer
Power will be off E of Warradale, and there is no alternative feed at present to the city.  This will be remedied when the Kilburn substation is completed as part of the Gawler electrification.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Why does this closure need to be 3 weeks?

Would this not work?

  • Lay track and overhead through the trench then
  • Close the service from, say, 8:00pm Friday night and cut in the down track and overhead and reopen the line then
  • Remove that part of the old down line that gets in the way of cutting the up track in then
  • Close the service from, say, 8:00pm Friday night and cut in the up track and overhead and reopen the line then
  • Remove the remaining old track

Total closure perhaps 6 days.
kipioneer
See p.4 of the March newsletter from the project team for details of work to be carried out during the closure https://ptpa-public-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/general-downloads/Oaklands-Crossing-Grade-Separation/Project-UpdatesNewsletters/Approved-https://ptpa-public-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/general-downloads/Oaklands-Crossing-Grade-Separation/Project-UpdatesNewsletters/Approved-March-2019-Newsletter.pdf.  Of significance is the first item, final excavation and construction of retaining walls.  The trench at the Warradale end is within retaining walls which have been constructed as far as possible prior to the closure.  However the retaining wall will require extension during the closure.  The overhead contact wire has to be installed in a continuous run between mechanical transitions with tensioners. Currently there is one section from W of Warradale to just E of Oaklands and another section from there through the crossover to E of the Sturt bridge.

Also of note is the track replacement through Warradale which wasn't done in rail revitalisation programme.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

For info, the shutdown for the temporary track at South Road was a weekend, including track slues and overhead. The second shutdown was supposed to be 60 hours but it was not permitted to have 3 consecutive nights of working so it was finished on Monday. However, there was hardly any civil work.

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