Broad gauge freight trains in SA

 
  barryc Chief Train Controller

Location: Waiting for a train to Canungra
Well, are there any, anymore?

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  trainlover Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide.
Well, are there any, anymore?
barryc
None Left All Broadgauge train lines shut in South Australia and only a few Broadgauge wagons left in the Dry Creek Yard, with 3 830 class engines and 706,And no where to run.
  trainlover Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide.
Well, are there any, anymore?
None Left All Broadgauge train lines shut in South Australia and only a few Broadgauge wagons left in the Dry Creek Yard, with 3 830 class engines and 706,And no where to run.
trainlover
All right before you shoot me Down yes I forgot the Steamranger Broad Gauge line between Mount Barker and Victor Harbour, but no goods trains  are Running anywhere on broad gauge.
  barryc Chief Train Controller

Location: Waiting for a train to Canungra
Well, are there any, anymore?
None Left All Broadgauge train lines shut in South Australia and only a few Broadgauge wagons left in the Dry Creek Yard, with 3 830 class engines and 706,And no where to run.
All right before you shoot me Down yes I forgot the Steamranger Broad Gauge line between Mount Barker and Victor Harbour, but no goods trains  are Running anywhere on broad gauge.
trainlover
Steamranger is an amusement park ride and will never be anything more. Is there any prospect of commercial BG traffic in SA apart from the Adelaide suburban lines?
  loco958 Station Master

Well, are there any, anymore?
None Left All Broadgauge train lines shut in South Australia and only a few Broadgauge wagons left in the Dry Creek Yard, with 3 830 class engines and 706,And no where to run.
All right before you shoot me Down yes I forgot the Steamranger Broad Gauge line between Mount Barker and Victor Harbour, but no goods trains  are Running anywhere on broad gauge.
Steamranger is an amusement park ride and will never be anything more. Is there any prospect of commercial BG traffic in SA apart from the Adelaide suburban lines?
barryc
That is a bit harsh stating on here Steamranger is an amusement park ride. Really ???
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Well, are there any, anymore?
None Left All Broadgauge train lines shut in South Australia and only a few Broadgauge wagons left in the Dry Creek Yard, with 3 830 class engines and 706,And no where to run.
All right before you shoot me Down yes I forgot the Steamranger Broad Gauge line between Mount Barker and Victor Harbour, but no goods trains  are Running anywhere on broad gauge.
Steamranger is an amusement park ride and will never be anything more. Is there any prospect of commercial BG traffic in SA apart from the Adelaide suburban lines?
That is a bit harsh stating on here Steamranger is an amusement park ride. Really ???
loco958
The last "Amusement Park" steam engine I saw was powered by a Ford 6 Cylinder car engine!

Steamranger is a tad more on the heritage side

Is there any prospect of commercial BG freight traffic? --- NO
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
What about if the lines were SG?
  allan Chief Commissioner

Same deal. The population, the agricultural areas and the former broad gauge tracks are all concentrated into a small part of the state around Adelaide. Road transport does it better...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Well, are there any, anymore?
None Left All Broadgauge train lines shut in South Australia and only a few Broadgauge wagons left in the Dry Creek Yard, with 3 830 class engines and 706,And no where to run.
All right before you shoot me Down yes I forgot the Steamranger Broad Gauge line between Mount Barker and Victor Harbour, but no goods trains  are Running anywhere on broad gauge.
Steamranger is an amusement park ride and will never be anything more. Is there any prospect of commercial BG traffic in SA apart from the Adelaide suburban lines?
barryc
Ah Barry the troll.

What rock have you been hiding under lately sweet cheeks?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Same deal. The population, the agricultural areas and the former broad gauge tracks are all concentrated into a small part of the state around Adelaide. Road transport does it better...
allan
True for some lines, not so true for others.

I doubt there's ever been a post closure study done on any line to show whether or not farmers are paying more or less for their transport costs?
  allan Chief Commissioner

It's not only the cost, but the convenience, and the practicality. The time of the daily "scavenger" has long passed, as has short-distance LCL traffic.

Again, road transport does it better and, given, effectively, free access to public roads, cheaper.

The only truly bulk commodity left is grain - which is neither all year, nor every year.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It's not only the cost, but the convenience, and the practicality. The time of the daily "scavenger" has long passed, as has short-distance LCL traffic.

Again, road transport does it better and, given, effectively, free access to public roads, cheaper.

The only truly bulk commodity left is grain - which is neither all year, nor every year.
allan
Grain now runs just about all year round most years.

I'm amazed people still think its movement is seasonal.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Grain now runs just about all year round most years.

I'm amazed people still think its movement is seasonal.
bingley hall
Grain is trucked into a few storage centres from where it is shipped to port when a ship needs to be loaded. Even then, a lot of wheat moves by road (think Roseworthy).

Grain movement to major storage is seasonal: where all of the major storage is at seaports, and grain is virtually the only remaining loading available to the railways (eg West Coast) the off season can offer very little work. Probably not with this years good harvest...
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The Penrice Stone train was the last BG freight in SA.  Last ran in June 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrice_Stone_Train
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I too think your comment about Steamranger was a little harsh Barry C as they may only be a bunch of amateurs running a amusement ride in your mind but they are running the longest preserved railway line in the world from memory! It is 82 Km's  in total from memory.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Grain now runs just about all year round most years.

I'm amazed people still think its movement is seasonal.
bingley hall
Very few people seem to understand how grain shipment and grain exports actually work
  barryc Chief Train Controller

Location: Waiting for a train to Canungra
I too think your comment about Steamranger was a little harsh Barry C as they may only be a bunch of amateurs running a amusement ride in your mind but they are running the longest preserved railway line in the world from memory! It is 82 Km's  in total from memory.
David Peters
I'm sure they do a great job. 82km is a lot of track for volunteers to manage but do they transport freight anywhere or do they provide a public transport service. I'll bet no.

Amusement rides are usually high tech systems so it is hardly a criticism.  My point is that Steamranger and its other counterparts have nothing to do with the transport system in general.

(BTW why is there still this obsession with steam. Steam locomotives - they all look the same anyway)
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures

(BTW why is there still this obsession with steam. Steam locomotives - they all look the same anyway)
"barryc"

They do???? There is more variation in steam locos than in diesel electric locos. On top of which a diesel electric generally resembles a box. Some variations are bull noses, skinny engine compartment with narrow or wide cab, etc, but not a lot of variation.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Grain now runs just about all year round most years.

I'm amazed people still think its movement is seasonal.
Very few people seem to understand how grain shipment and grain exports actually work
Pressman

Agreed.

Though it has changed since the days of the AWB which generally smoothed the activity out over the whole year, there is a little more seasonality in it now.  But not enough to really change things all that much.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I too think your comment about Steamranger was a little harsh Barry C as they may only be a bunch of amateurs running a amusement ride in your mind but they are running the longest preserved railway line in the world from memory! It is 82 Km's  in total from memory.
I'm sure they do a great job. 82km is a lot of track for volunteers to manage but do they transport freight anywhere or do they provide a public transport service. I'll bet no.

Amusement rides are usually high tech systems so it is hardly a criticism.  My point is that Steamranger and its other counterparts have nothing to do with the transport system in general.

(BTW why is there still this obsession with steam. Steam locomotives - they all look the same anyway)
barryc
And the Wooden Spoon Award goes to..........
  barryc Chief Train Controller

Location: Waiting for a train to Canungra

(BTW why is there still this obsession with steam. Steam locomotives - they all look the same anyway)
They do???? There is more variation in steam locos than in diesel electric locos. On top of which a diesel electric generally resembles a box. Some variations are bull noses, skinny engine compartment with narrow or wide cab, etc, but not a lot of variation.
nm39
When I first got interested in trains at about the age of 8, I soon learnt to distinguish diesels from each other just by watching them. (After all, it's not that hard to tell a Commodore from a Falcon, for example).

The rare steam locos I saw were just black and looked much the same as each other. Maybe they were all the same class.  I've now got older and I can distinguish one class of steam loco from another but they don't vary particularly more than diesels.

A complete generation or more has passed  since the end of steam. Is anybody interested anymore?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
As an aside I recently went for a big tour of the Yorke Penninsula with friends and family and stayed a few nights around Moonta and Wallaroo. For me one of the main attractions was (of course) the railway archaeology of which there is certainly a lot. It is definitely a shame what has been lost - pretty much everything bar the main standard gauge line - and a shame also that the Wallaroo-Kadina tourist train couldn't generate enough interest to keep going either. But on the other hand it's hard to imagine there would have been much of a freight or passenger task for the railways to sustain them in a commercial sense, particularly with the advent of B-doubles.

It's nice to imagine what it might have been like catching a train from Adelaide to Moonta or Wallaroo though.
  inbianghan Beginner

none but metro but i have inside information that the Barossa wine train may be operational after s land buyer touched that he will buy and reopen it well try towards it plus i have seen people clear and re ballast some parts of the track
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
As an aside I recently went for a big tour of the Yorke Penninsula with friends and family and stayed a few nights around Moonta and Wallaroo. For me one of the main attractions was (of course) the railway archaeology of which there is certainly a lot. It is definitely a shame what has been lost - pretty much everything bar the main standard gauge line - and a shame also that the Wallaroo-Kadina tourist train couldn't generate enough interest to keep going either. But on the other hand it's hard to imagine there would have been much of a freight or passenger task for the railways to sustain them in a commercial sense, particularly with the advent of B-doubles.

It's nice to imagine what it might have been like catching a train from Adelaide to Moonta or Wallaroo though.
don_dunstan
I was lucky enough to have got a ticket on the "Ghan to Wallaroo" (via Snowtown) special many years ago, was a very scenic journey indeed
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
I was lucky enough to have got a ticket on the "Ghan to Wallaroo" (via Snowtown) special many years ago, was a very scenic journey indeed
Pressman
Interesting, thank-you, in fact Bingley Hall has put one or two pictures up; I haven't seen any albums or anything - anyone feel free to post a link if there is one on the web?

When we visited Kadina the railway yards and associated infrastructure were all being demolished but it looked like the station is already a private residence and has been for some time (?) I believe Wallaroo is still there and I know for a fact that Moonta is there having visited the tourist office there (it's quite a fine Edwardian classic South Aussie sandstone and brick building); they're both the same era and exact same art nouveau arch-window design. At least many of the fine buildings of the old SAR still exist.

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