Melbourne Metro tunnel 2

 
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

This tunnel is the one between Clifton hill and Newport. Clifton hill to Fitzroy to Parkville to Flagstaff to Southern Cross to Fisherman bend and Newport. It gets a mention quite a few times (Infrastructure Victoria, PTV plan and by the Melbourne Metro project). This metro tunnel has similar benefits as the first, but will cost much more. Metro tunnel 1 unlocks Northern group lines, Arden redevelopment, Hospital precinct gets a station, and two city stops and unlocks trams on Swanston with a station at Domain Interchange. Metro tunnel 2 unlocks South Morang and Hurstbridge lines, Fishermans bend redevelopment, Hospital precinct gets station interchange, two city stops, station at Fitzroy and the extra is that unlocks the Werribee, Wlliamstown and Altona junction. I'm curious whether you agree with Melbourne metro 2 project. If the planning started in the next term of government and it could be finished by 2030 (4 years after Melbourne metro 1) as part of making it a two staged project.

Added a photo of the proposed route make it easier to visualise what a metro tunnel 2 could look like;
Key: Brown=interchange station, Purple=station, the route is in Purple.

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  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Metro Tunnel 2 excites me the most
*Allows the Menda and Hurstbridge lines to be seperated, and not constrained by the outdated Jolimont to CH section (which desperately needs some work)
*Gives Fishermen's Bend Train Access
*Allows the Werribee line to be fully seperated from the Williamstown and Altona Lines
*Allows the Altona line to be extended through to Point Cook and eventually Werribee South, with enough track capcity to make it worthwhile
*If built with four tracks, could see Geelong services electrified (Quad track werribee to southern cross) with a more direct path to Melbourne
*RRL would then be used as an electrified commuter network, considering that Tarneit and Wyndham Vale (and to an extend Lara) are suburbs of commuting households to and from Melbourne.

That's all possible if they do it right, unlike Metro Tunnel 1 which should be going Domain --> Balaclava --> Caulfield (as orignally proposed) which solves many problems we will face in the future:
*V/Line and Freight capacity between Melbourne and Caulfield, no space for dedicated tracks without double decking tracks ontop of each other
*Interchange between South Yarra and Dandenong Lines
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

This tunnel is the one between Clifton hill and Newport. Clifton hill to Fitzroy to Parkville to Flagstaff to Southern Cross to Fisherman bend and Newport. It gets a mention quite a few times (Infrastructure Victoria, PTV plan and by the Melbourne Metro project). This metro tunnel has similar benefits as the first, but will cost much more. Metro tunnel 1 unlocks Northern group lines, Arden redevelopment, Hospital precinct gets a station, and two city stops and unlocks trams on Swanston with a station at Domain Interchange. Metro tunnel 2 unlocks South Morang and Hurstbridge lines, Fishermans bend redevelopment, Hospital precinct gets station interchange, two city stops, station at Fitzroy and the extra is that unlocks the Werribee, Wlliamstown and Altona junction. I'm curious whether you agree with Melbourne metro 2 project. If the planning started in the next term of government and it could be finished by 2030 (4 years after Melbourne metro 1) as part of making it a two staged project.
I just tried making a sketch of the approximate route it is 15 km route with 9 kms of tunnel between Port Melbourne and Clifton Hill, the bit between Port Melbourne and Fisherman bend is surface rail and I just wanna ask if it's better to tunnel or bridge over the Yarra River Between Newport and Fisherman's bend.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Keep Port Melbourne-Fishermen's Bend as a tunnel, then tunnel under the river and Newport. Build new underground platforms at Newport so there is more capacity there for Altona and Williamstown Trains (I am a supporter of keeping Altona Loop trains to still run via Footscray, and have only Werribee/Wyndham Vale trains run via the Metro).

If you keep the whole thing as a tunnel you don't waste time and money coming back up and then lowering again.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Keep Port Melbourne-Fishermen's Bend as a tunnel, then tunnel under the river and Newport. Build new underground platforms at Newport so there is more capacity there for Altona and Williamstown Trains (I am a supporter of keeping Altona Loop trains to still run via Footscray, and have only Werribee/Wyndham Vale trains run via the Metro).

If you keep the whole thing as a tunnel you don't waste time and money coming back up and then lowering again.
TOQ-1
Do you support Quadding between Altona Junction and Newport as well, because that would seperate the Altona line from the Werribee/Wydnham Vale line? i think that is needed as well though it will cost extra.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Keep Port Melbourne-Fishermen's Bend as a tunnel, then tunnel under the river and Newport. Build new underground platforms at Newport so there is more capacity there for Altona and Williamstown Trains (I am a supporter of keeping Altona Loop trains to still run via Footscray, and have only Werribee/Wyndham Vale trains run via the Metro).

If you keep the whole thing as a tunnel you don't waste time and money coming back up and then lowering again.
Do you support Quadding between Altona Junction and Newport as well, because that would seperate the Altona line from the Werribee/Wydnham Vale line? i think that is needed as well though it will cost extra.
James974
You just have the Werribee-Fishermen's Bend Portals surface after Altona Junction and you remove the need for quadding on the surface.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner


Do you support Quadding between Altona Junction and Newport as well, because that would seperate the Altona line from the Werribee/Wydnham Vale line? i think that is needed as well though it will cost extra.You just have the Werribee-Fishermen's Bend Portals surface after Altona Junction and you remove the need for quadding on the surface.
I didn't think of that