Dumb and dumber - weights, measures and language

 
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
It's already implemented, it's just not derived. Indeed there is already an arbitrary 'area' over which the linear measurement for rainfall is captured, mass and volume are trivial to derive from this - we just don't.

In fact I have built a small weather station at my house, which is monitored/logged by an ATMEL device (think Arduino but more sophisticated), it measures rainfall by mass, then derives the reverse linear measurement for reporting. Similarly, the anemometer measures in RPM, and direction is sourced from a vane, both are then used to derive wind velocity.
Aaron

I'll have to take your word for it. The science behind it is beyond my level of comprehension. But if your converting back to a linear measure, what's the point? Stick with the good old rain (or dust, most of the time) gauge!

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It's already implemented, it's just not derived. Indeed there is already an arbitrary 'area' over which the linear measurement for rainfall is captured, mass and volume are trivial to derive from this - we just don't. In fact I have built a small weather station at my house, which is monitored/logged by an ATMEL device (think Arduino but more sophisticated), it measures rainfall by mass, then derives the reverse linear measurement for reporting.
"Aaron"

Puts me in mind of a steering column gear shift - a complicated way of doing something simple.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Something or other tonight was weighed in 'Sydney Harbour Bridges'.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
To demonstrate that there's nothing new under the sun, I just watched an old black and white WW2 film about the production line which built the B24 "Liberator" bomber.
At the finishing stage, the commentator told us that "there is enough aluminium here to make 55 thousand coffee percolators."
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
To demonstrate that there's nothing new under the sun, I just watched an old black and white WW2 film about the production line which built the B24 "Liberator" bomber.
At the finishing stage, the commentator told us that "there is enough aluminium here to make 55 thousand coffee percolators."
Valvegear
AaRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrGGGGGGGGGGgggHhhhhhhhh

Did you have to tell me that Valvegear?
I am still trying to come to grips with the 220 Olympic Swimming Pools about to escape from that dam in Bananaland. I suppose that it is down to half a swimming pool by now and the news is 'No one drowned when dam empties in Queensland'..Rolling Eyes
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
AaRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrGGGGGGGGGGgggHhhhhhhhh

Did you have to tell me that Valvegear?
"YM-Mundrabilla"
I just thought you might like a little tension in your life.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
AaRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrGGGGGGGGGGgggHhhhhhhhh

Did you have to tell me that Valvegear?
I just thought you might like a little tension in your life.
Valvegear
Thank you kind sir. It was most thoughtful and considerate of you to think of me.
Regards
YM
(Who is renowned for tact and diplomacy) Laughing
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Why the hell are Australian ads always mentioning calories these days? How do these ads even get past the advertising boards/ACCC/ACMA etc.? It's not just on TV, but in print as well. Use (kilo)joules FFS, we have only been doing so for nearly half a century.

Meanwhile I will acquire some 1.2 metre lengths of wood so I can start on a model train layout which is scaled three and a half millimetres to the foot. Smile
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Why the hell are Australian ads always mentioning calories these days? How do these ads even get past the advertising boards/ACCC/ACMA etc.? It's not just on TV, but in print as well. Use (kilo)joules FFS, we have only been doing so for nearly half a century.
Heihachi_73
There is no issue using the calorie, it’s obsolete and I wouldn’t write it in a modern report, but for most purposes there are few issues in use of it. We might have been using the Joule for nearly half a century now, but we have had the calorie defined for at least twice that long now.

The ACCC has no place in making food labelling more complex than it already is, and I don’t think I have seen calories as the only expressed unit, in my experience, not that I make a point of looking, there’s always both. I note that you didn’t mention that weights of products being measured in Newtons, so at the very least I see you have not fully thought through the ACCC labelling entirely. At least calories are a defined unit of energy.

I don’t know what you do, but I do a fair bit of high energy particle physics so I would wager that I generally do ‘harder’ science than you and most others on RP. I often use calories to measure energy, because in the practical sense they’re easier to measure than Joules, unit conversion being quite trivial.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Why the hell are Australian ads always mentioning calories these days? How do these ads even get past the advertising boards/ACCC/ACMA etc.? It's not just on TV, but in print as well. Use (kilo)joules FFS, we have only been doing so for nearly half a century.
There is no issue using the calorie, it’s obsolete and I wouldn’t write it in a modern report, but for most purposes there are few issues in use of it. We might have been using the Joule for nearly half a century now, but we have had the calorie defined for at least twice that long now.

The ACCC has no place in making food labelling more complex than it already is, and I don’t think I have seen calories as the only expressed unit, in my experience, not that I make a point of looking, there’s always both. I note that you didn’t mention that weights of products being measured in Newtons, so at the very least I see you have not fully thought through the ACCC labelling entirely. At least calories are a defined unit of energy.

I don’t know what you do, but I do a fair bit of high energy particle physics so I would wager that I generally do ‘harder’ science than you and most others on RP. I often use calories to measure energy, because in the practical sense they’re easier to measure than Joules, unit conversion being quite trivial.
Aaron
There is a problem with calories.

Is it a cal or a Cal? Very Happy

See the first paragraph. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Even that is not a big deal, and if it is, just use kcal, which is also quite legitimate.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

I don't think this has been mentioned: Americans claiming the imperial system is better while giving you a measurement with a decimal point.
3.27 inches? Sorry no. If you claim it's better then use fractions. I dare you.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I don't think this has been mentioned: Americans claiming the imperial system is better while giving you a measurement with a decimal point.
3.27 inches? Sorry no. If you claim it's better then use fractions. I dare you.
Madjikthise
Hmm. I don't know the context, but I assume the metric dimension was 83mm? That's 3.27 inches (to 23 decimal places - actually 3.268 inches). An exact 3.27 inches is 83.058 mm. Neither roll off the tongue...
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
What about Alligators?

  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

I don't think this has been mentioned: Americans claiming the imperial system is better while giving you a measurement with a decimal point.
3.27 inches? Sorry no. If you claim it's better then use fractions. I dare you.
Hmm. I don't know the context, but I assume the metric dimension was 83mm? That's 3.27 inches (to 23 decimal places - actually 3.268 inches). An exact 3.27 inches is 83.058 mm. Neither roll off the tongue...
duttonbay
I was trying to show that Americans replacing fractions with a decimal works against their argument that imperial is better. The number I used is just random.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
3.27 use fractions? Okay, trivial, but valid 3 + 27/100 or, if you prefer 327/100. The Americans would likely say 3 and 17/64, but they routinely specify decimals of inches in 'thou' anyway.

The US customary measures are outdated, but that they use decimals too is hardly a further problem.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Nine News: "A lightning flash that stretched from Argentina across Brazil all the way to the Atlantic Ocean is the longest in recorded history.
The 709 km lightning bolt would be long enough to stretch from Sydney to Melbourne.
Using new satellite lightning imagery technology, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) declared the lightning bolt a world record holder.
It was recorded during a storm on October 31, 2018."

Probably worth mentioning if only to keep YM amused.Very Happy
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Nine News: "A lightning flash that stretched from Argentina across Brazil all the way to the Atlantic Ocean is the longest in recorded history.
The 709 km lightning bolt would be long enough to stretch from Sydney to Melbourne.
Using new satellite lightning imagery technology, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) declared the lightning bolt a world record holder.
It was recorded during a storm on October 31, 2018."

Probably worth mentioning if only to keep YM amused.Very Happy
Valvegear
Not if it was forced to follow the railway alignment Smile
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Not if it was forced to follow the railway alignment
"duttonbay"
 Gold !
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Now we have another (are you there YM?)

Donald Trump's personal Boeing 757 aircraft has its interior fittings made from enough gold which, if melted down, would be enough to coat the outside of a Greyhound bus. (Omigawd!)

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