http://northeastlink.vic.gov.au/
Does anyone know if CityLink (Transurban) is entitled to compensation? I've had a look on the net but can't find anything.
Planning is underway to complete the "missing link" between the eastern end of the Metropolitan Ring Road and EastLink at Ringwood:I don't think so as it incorporates an interchange to their road so will lead to more traffic volumes for them. They need vehicles to be moving so they can toll more of them.
http://northeastlink.vic.gov.au/
Does anyone know if CityLink (Transurban) is entitled to compensation? I've had a look on the net but can't find anything.
I don't think so as it incorporates an interchange to their road so will ...........
Shorter Western option (Bulleen) or longer Eastern option (Eltham)
I suspect the Western option Bulleen to Greensborough Incorporating a major upgrade of the existing Greensborough highway.
The Western option will require significant widening of the eastern section of the Eastern Freeway and, if it is possible, the Eastlink tunnels. In the PM peak east-bound traffic already slows to a crawl between Bulleen Road (the proposed joining point) and the Ringwood Interchange. I haven't experienced it, but I would image there is a similar problem in the AM peak for west-bound traffic east of the tunnels on Eastlink and Maroondah Highway. Any connection to Eastlink and Maroondah Highway needs to be east of the tunnels. The Eastern option fulfils this.I see there Is a far Eastern route via Chirnside Park been floated !
I see there Is a far Eastern route via Chirnside Park been floated !
The idea must be to out even more traffic onto the ring road which is already a nightmare so how will this project benefit the average punter?
Can't wait to read the doctored business case.
Do these business cases get audited by anyone with a view to understanding if the financials and benefits have been met after build?
The biggest concern for this project, is that if they go with the Eastern Freeway option A, it is the permanent death of Doncaster rail. I can't see how you'd ever get the line past Bulleen rd with a freeway junction in the way. NELA has also made no commitment to preserve the proposed station sites.Doncaster rail not going to happen for another 100 years, at best it may get a proper BRT system, or a light rail extension.
You'd still need the Eastern Freeway reservation for BRT or Light Rail.The biggest concern for this project, is that if they go with the Eastern Freeway option A, it is the permanent death of Doncaster rail. I can't see how you'd ever get the line past Bulleen rd with a freeway junction in the way. NELA has also made no commitment to preserve the proposed station sites.Doncaster rail not going to happen for another 100 years, at best it may get a proper BRT system, or a light rail extension.
Yep. That's my point. Once you lose that reservation, it is gone forever. You'd need the BRT first to get the passenger numbers up before any rail line.You'd still need the Eastern Freeway reservation for BRT or Light Rail.The biggest concern for this project, is that if they go with the Eastern Freeway option A, it is the permanent death of Doncaster rail. I can't see how you'd ever get the line past Bulleen rd with a freeway junction in the way. NELA has also made no commitment to preserve the proposed station sites.Doncaster rail not going to happen for another 100 years, at best it may get a proper BRT system, or a light rail extension.
Maybe for BRT, but not for Light Rail. Light rail can be done as an extension and upgrade of Route 48.You'd still need the Eastern Freeway reservation for BRT or Light Rail.The biggest concern for this project, is that if they go with the Eastern Freeway option A, it is the permanent death of Doncaster rail. I can't see how you'd ever get the line past Bulleen rd with a freeway junction in the way. NELA has also made no commitment to preserve the proposed station sites.Doncaster rail not going to happen for another 100 years, at best it may get a proper BRT system, or a light rail extension.
Upgrade Route 48 to Light Rail standard? That'd mean turning every road and street on the route east of the Yarra into a clearway, put barriers up to prevent car intrusion and install superstops everywhere. That's a laughable idea in the abstract, but it's made more preposterous because those roads run through Hawthorn, Kew and Balwyn North. Any premier who proposed that would face an aristocratic 'upper middle class' revolt.You'd still need the Eastern Freeway reservation for BRT or Light Rail.Maybe for BRT, but not for Light Rail. Light rail can be done as an extension and upgrade of Route 48.
How would you do this? I can't see how you'd push light rail through Kew Junction.Maybe for BRT, but not for Light Rail. Light rail can be done as an extension and upgrade of Route 48.You'd still need the Eastern Freeway reservation for BRT or Light Rail.The biggest concern for this project, is that if they go with the Eastern Freeway option A, it is the permanent death of Doncaster rail. I can't see how you'd ever get the line past Bulleen rd with a freeway junction in the way. NELA has also made no commitment to preserve the proposed station sites.Doncaster rail not going to happen for another 100 years, at best it may get a proper BRT system, or a light rail extension.
If needed you could do the same thing they did on Victoria Street (Richmond) - raise the road to create platform stops. no need to do anything to the tracks.How would you do this? I can't see how you'd push light rail through Kew Junction.Maybe for BRT, but not for Light Rail. Light rail can be done as an extension and upgrade of Route 48.You'd still need the Eastern Freeway reservation for BRT or Light Rail.The biggest concern for this project, is that if they go with the Eastern Freeway option A, it is the permanent death of Doncaster rail. I can't see how you'd ever get the line past Bulleen rd with a freeway junction in the way. NELA has also made no commitment to preserve the proposed station sites.Doncaster rail not going to happen for another 100 years, at best it may get a proper BRT system, or a light rail extension.
Paving the middle of the Eastern would be much cheaper. You'd extend the 48 to where Doncaster rd crosses the freeway, and the other one (I forget the number) all the way up Burke rd, as feeders on to the BRT. With 24/7 clearways on Hoddle st, it becomes as close as we will get to a train line for a long time.
Wouldn't work. Kew junction is 6 lanes wide if you count the tram tracks, and is a very messy intersection. The raised platforms wouldn't work there. You'd have to take a car lane out each way too. A single lane doesn't work when you have 4 possible turn directions.No you wouldn't. You clearly have not read my post properly.
The only realistic rapid transport option in the area, is the Eastern Freeway BRT, and eventually Doncaster Rail. Both of these die if North East Link Option A is constructed.
Read it three times. Still doesn't make sense. Clearly I'm not as smart as you. Please explain further.Wouldn't work. Kew junction is 6 lanes wide if you count the tram tracks, and is a very messy intersection. The raised platforms wouldn't work there. You'd have to take a car lane out each way too. A single lane doesn't work when you have 4 possible turn directions.No you wouldn't. You clearly have not read my post properly.
The only realistic rapid transport option in the area, is the Eastern Freeway BRT, and eventually Doncaster Rail. Both of these die if North East Link Option A is constructed.
Take a look along Victoria St Richmond to see what they've done.Read it three times. Still doesn't make sense. Clearly I'm not as smart as you. Please explain further.Wouldn't work. Kew junction is 6 lanes wide if you count the tram tracks, and is a very messy intersection. The raised platforms wouldn't work there. You'd have to take a car lane out each way too. A single lane doesn't work when you have 4 possible turn directions.No you wouldn't. You clearly have not read my post properly.
The only realistic rapid transport option in the area, is the Eastern Freeway BRT, and eventually Doncaster Rail. Both of these die if North East Link Option A is constructed.
Wouldn't work in Kew Junction. You'd have to have people crossing 3 lanes to get to the tram, slowing the whole intersection down.Doesn't matter. You still need to do something otherwise you are not DDA compliant.
A car 3 lanes across with a truck between it and a tram isn't going to see pedestrians, and will have trouble knowing when to take off. It's a dangerous scenario.
Even with that, you still don't have a proper light rail connection for the rest of the route without reducing the rest of the route to 1 car lane in either direction, else you are still sharing with cars, defeating the purpose. Can't see that happening either.
Hence why either a BRT, light rail, or heavy rail up the Eastern are the only serious contenders. You'd probably extend the 48 up to Shoppingtown too, and the 72 from Whitehorse rd to the Eastern freeway as feeders onto it.
Are you seriously suggesting that a rail/light rail line is not needed in a place where the bus services are not coping because they are used by a number of volume of people more commonly seen on a train line, just because there is a parallel tram line that moves at a snails pace 1-3km away?Heavy rail, maybe. Light rail as I said can simply be formed by an extension of Route 48, longer vehicles and tram priority at the bare minimum which would be significantly cheaper than building a whole new line.
I'd expect this kind of comment on a Herald Sun thread full of people wanting to carpet Melbourne in bitumen. But on a rail site? Wow.