6029 for sale! ( Now sold )

 
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I doubt it would fit inside the loading gauge of any British line, and I doubt any UK group would go to the MASSIVE expense of importing an operational locomotive, only to stick it in a warehouse and never be able to run it.
Bogong
If the British wanted a AD60 there's one pre-weathered out at Forbes Smile

Could a big operational company take a operating AD60 on like UP have ? ( I know gunzel mode thinking_)

Regards,
David Head

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I doubt it would fit inside the loading gauge of any British line, and I doubt any UK group would go to the MASSIVE expense of importing an operational locomotive, only to stick it in a warehouse and never be able to run it.
If the British wanted a AD60 there's one pre-weathered out at Forbes Smile

Could a big operational company take a operating AD60 on like UP have ? ( I know gunzel mode thinking_)

Regards,
David Head
dthead
Sadly the big difference is that the Big Boy is UPs heritage as it was their loco. Just like loco No.844 which UP themselves describe as their "goodwill ambassador"

None of the big operators in NSW have a link to the NSWGR so the story is harder to sell.

"we bought this steam train"is not a great story to tell. "we rescued this old locomotive that we used to run in the 40s and are restoring it" is a great story.

As always MHO.

BG
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

The reason why I asked if the NSWRM would be interested in 6029 is in relation to this post on their facebook page, dated 10 April 2013, when someone asked if, in reply to them posting a photo of 6040, whether that loco would ever run tours:-

"Hi Josh, there are no plans to put 6040 back into traffic. The RTM has a fleet strategy that allows it to assess its needs in rolling stock. 6040 is too slow to run the tables we want to run, has far more tractive effort than we require to run our passenger trains and its reconstruction would take up funds and resources that the RTM could more effectively use elsewhere. 6040 will remain on display at Trainworks for the foreseeable future."
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

lets be honest, No one can afford to run it, it all looks nice and good when running, but is far too big for any volunteer heritage operation,.................while it still has an ops ticket, it might be used sparingly.................at best
  woodford Chief Commissioner

I doubt it would fit inside the loading gauge of any British line, and I doubt any UK group would go to the MASSIVE expense of importing an operational locomotive, only to stick it in a warehouse and never be able to run it.
"Bogong"


British loading gauge is 9.0ft wide, 10ft 9" height at the sides and a max height in the centre of 12ft 10'. I believe the 60 class would be wider than 9ft.

I am unable to find the 60 class dimensions, I may point out though inspite of its length and weight the NSW 60 class is a light line locomotive and there for it MAY I repeat MAY be possible (but VERY unlikely) to get it to fit the british loading gauge.

woodford
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I must admit that with all of this conversion of track to SG in Vic these days, a Garratt here in Mexico would be nice.  My inner Gunzel gets bit misty-eyed dreaming of 6029 slogging up the Pyrennes Range near Elmhurst or conquering Warrenheip Bank.  And then reality hits when I think of how much it would cost to maintain and run....
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
I doubt it would fit inside the loading gauge of any British line, and I doubt any UK group would go to the MASSIVE expense of importing an operational locomotive, only to stick it in a warehouse and never be able to run it.


British loading gauge is 9.0ft wide, 10ft 9" height at the sides and a max height in the centre of 12ft 10'. I believe the 60 class would be wider than 9ft.

I am unable to find the 60 class dimensions, I may point out though inspite of its length and weight the NSW 60 class is a light line locomotive and there for it MAY I repeat MAY be possible (but VERY unlikely) to get it to fit the british loading gauge.

woodford
woodford
9'9" wide and 14' high (funnel and top of cab) above rail.

I doubt cast steel bed cylinders would take kindly to "slimming down."
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
also a lot of British Museums have been looking at rationalising their collection due to the costs of upkeep of even non-operational exhibits in a presentable condition.  Even York is doing something similar.  If they are selling off the heritage they have due to costs why would they be looking at purchasing, disassembling, transporting and reassembling something from overseas.

There are already South African Garratts operating in the UK (just as there are in Australia where another one is being done up at the moment) so you can get a Garratt fix elsewhere - just not on Standard Gauge.

I would have loved to see a 60 class run but it needs to be able to cover costs and 'orphan locos' are not cheap to maintain as you can't get any way of sharing the costs to reproduce common parts you are relying on one-off manufacturing (and maybe even die making).

To give a similar example Steamrail borrowed missing parts from Echuca's A2 to make patterns and get their A2 running.  They didn't have a source of spares like the do for the R and K classes.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

A woodford opinion, you have been warned.........................

The problem appears to be a steamer is a VERY expensive machine to run and is beyond most individuals/small groups ability to run. Even the A! locomotive trust after they completed "Tornado" kept the fund raising going to pay for future boiler repairs. Its likely the best that we can hope for is the same thing that was  apparently done for the "Mallard" or the "City of Truro (Note 1)" (both famous steamers) these were repaired and run for a period then put into museums before any serious boiler work was required. Even the management at "Puffing Billy" has to work hard to make sure enough funds are around to keep there 5 36 ton NA's and the 65 ton G42 garrat going

Note 1: The "City of Truro" was retired because it was found on an inspection of the boiler for a leaking tube that the boiler required some serious work, it had been announced though after its restoration that it would be run for a time then placed in a museum.

Note 2: Both the "Mallard" and the "City of Truro" are regarded as VERY valuable locomotives and they appear to b regarded as to valuable to risk.

Note 3: Just in case anyone is wondering, the "City of Truro" is the first steamer proven to have reached 100mph (in 1904) and the "Mallard" holds the maximum speed record for steamers (126mph).

woodford
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
"...  I wouldn't mind betting that some agreement for THNSW to take 6029 has already been informally agreed to and that the EOI advert has been put up to satisfy any later claims that some cosy deal had been made without allowing others to bid...."

+1
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Moderator Note:

For speeding locos head to -

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2074336.htm#2074336
  allambee Chief Train Controller

Back when the Forbes council disposed of assets of the Lachlan vintage village via a auction a UK museum (the one at Manchester) put out feelers to acquire 6042.This was the time Dorrigo was awash with cash and members, Jones went on about the group would lobby to block any sale to the UK. I recall a representitive from the British High Commission attended the auction day presumably to bid. likely UK candidates would be only two I can think of, both taxpayer underwritten, the museum at York and the museum at Manchester ( the later which holds all of Beyer Peacocks records), I would have to agree, sending 6029 to Dorrigo is a very bad idea. Anyway Dorrigo has no chance, admimistators want cash now, not some sort of time payment.

I find it extremely hard to believe the commonwealth deeded the locomotive with no strings attached to the ARHS. People down in Canberra hard should be hitting their local member to lobby for the Commonwealth Solicitor to review the original deed before the sale proceeds.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

It's fair comment but Ainsworths have only been in this a short time and can't be held responsible for the myriad of stuff-ups before them. From what I'm hearing, they're keeping their side of the bargain, something that can hardly be said of some of the others.
studdo
The CEO of THNSW Rob Mason put out some Members E-News in the form of a video wherein he confirmed THNSW had lodged an expression of interest to acquire 6029 and would provide any updates as they come to hand. It seems to me that the acquisition of 6029 is in the bag for THNSW as who else would have deep enough pockets to acquire it, carry out any necessary repairs (quite a few I believe) and maintain it? But I could be wrong but probably not.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
The CEO of THNSW Rob Mason put out some Members E-News in the form of a video wherein he confirmed THNSW had lodged an expression of interest to acquire 6029 and would provide any updates as they come to hand.
nswtrains
Well, they've hidden it pretty well. Got a link?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The CEO of THNSW Rob Mason put out some Members E-News in the form of a video wherein he confirmed THNSW had lodged an expression of interest to acquire 6029 and would provide any updates as they come to hand.
Well, they've hidden it pretty well. Got a link?
apw5910



CEO Update - September 2017 by Transport Heritage NSW
  exarmidale Train Controller

It would be wise to consider the delay rests wholly and solely with the beaurocrats that we're with the Office of Rail Heritage (ORH). The procurement documents were flawed. Too much curry in there. Didn't know Sh one t from clay.
It is only since the formation of THNSW and their dedication that 3801 will eventually be back for all to enjoy.
The doers within NSWRM/THNSW are getting there given the previous crap they inherited.
It has taken 6 years to turn things around from the ORH dictatorship.
Let's look on the positive side of things in that 3801 will be on the tracks next year in pretty well an "As new condition.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
That was quite an informative video update - but I didn't see anything about 6029?
steamfreak

Relevant part of the THNSW news update below


EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST CALLED FOR GARRATT

Slattery Auctions Australia were recently appointed to manage the sale, via an Expression of Interest process, of Beyer-Garratt locomotive 6029 on behalf of Deloitte Australia, liquidators for the ARHS ACT / Canberra Railway Museum.

THNSW has submitted an Expression of Interest and believes it is well placed and has the capability to protect and preserve this unique and historic locomotive for the benefit of current and future generations.

Should another organisation be successful in acquiring locomotive 6029, THNSW looks forward to collaborating with the new owner/s to ensure the locomotive continues to operate throughout NSW/ACT and enjoyed and appreciated by many.

The result of the Expression of Interest process will be communicated to Members as soon as the outcome is known.
THNSW
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
That was quite an informative video update - but I didn't see anything about 6029?

Relevant part of the THNSW news update below

EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST CALLED FOR GARRATT

Slattery Auctions Australia were recently appointed to manage the sale, via an Expression of Interest process, of Beyer-Garratt locomotive 6029 on behalf of Deloitte Australia, liquidators for the ARHS ACT / Canberra Railway Museum.

THNSW has submitted an Expression of Interest and believes it is well placed and has the capability to protect and preserve this unique and historic locomotive for the benefit of current and future generations.

Should another organisation be successful in acquiring locomotive 6029, THNSW looks forward to collaborating with the new owner/s to ensure the locomotive continues to operate throughout NSW/ACT and enjoyed and appreciated by many.

The result of the Expression of Interest process will be communicated to Members as soon as the outcome is known.
james.au


Thanks!  THNSW owning/operating 6029 would be a great outcome under the circumstances...
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
That was quite an informative video update - but I didn't see anything about 6029?

Relevant part of the THNSW news update below


EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST CALLED FOR GARRATT

Slattery Auctions Australia were recently appointed to manage the sale, via an Expression of Interest process, of Beyer-Garratt locomotive 6029 on behalf of Deloitte Australia, liquidators for the ARHS ACT / Canberra Railway Museum.

THNSW has submitted an Expression of Interest and believes it is well placed and has the capability to protect and preserve this unique and historic locomotive for the benefit of current and future generations.

Should another organisation be successful in acquiring locomotive 6029, THNSW looks forward to collaborating with the new owner/s to ensure the locomotive continues to operate throughout NSW/ACT and enjoyed and appreciated by many.

The result of the Expression of Interest process will be communicated to Members as soon as the outcome is known.
james.au
Where did you find this? Please give a full link if you can. I can't find it.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Its in the THNSW monthly/bimonthly newsletter.  Not sure if they put this online or not to be honest.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The video is intended for THNSW Members to keep them updated, it may be publicly available on Vimeo but it wasn't shard on a public post.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
That was quite an informative video update - but I didn't see anything about 6029?

Relevant part of the THNSW news update below


EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST CALLED FOR GARRATT

Slattery Auctions Australia were recently appointed to manage the sale, via an Expression of Interest process, of Beyer-Garratt locomotive 6029 on behalf of Deloitte Australia, liquidators for the ARHS ACT / Canberra Railway Museum.

THNSW has submitted an Expression of Interest and believes it is well placed and has the capability to protect and preserve this unique and historic locomotive for the benefit of current and future generations.

Should another organisation be successful in acquiring locomotive 6029, THNSW looks forward to collaborating with the new owner/s to ensure the locomotive continues to operate throughout NSW/ACT and enjoyed and appreciated by many.

The result of the Expression of Interest process will be communicated to Members as soon as the outcome is known.
Where did you find this? Please give a full link if you can. I can't find it.
apw5910
THNSW send out an infrequent newsletter by email to THNSW members.

Happy internetting and membershipping,

John
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

That was quite an informative video update - but I didn't see anything about 6029?

Relevant part of the THNSW news update below


EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST CALLED FOR GARRATT

Slattery Auctions Australia were recently appointed to manage the sale, via an Expression of Interest process, of Beyer-Garratt locomotive 6029 on behalf of Deloitte Australia, liquidators for the ARHS ACT / Canberra Railway Museum.

THNSW has submitted an Expression of Interest and believes it is well placed and has the capability to protect and preserve this unique and historic locomotive for the benefit of current and future generations.

Should another organisation be successful in acquiring locomotive 6029, THNSW looks forward to collaborating with the new owner/s to ensure the locomotive continues to operate throughout NSW/ACT and enjoyed and appreciated by many.

The result of the Expression of Interest process will be communicated to Members as soon as the outcome is known.
Where did you find this? Please give a full link if you can. I can't find it.
THNSW send out an infrequent newsletter by email to THNSW members.

Happy internetting and membershipping,

John
c3526blue
How can anybody disagree with the above post by John. I think it is fair enough that members paying fees should have first easy access to any such news. Of course such news will eventually end up in the public domain at some later date. To avoid the delay and searching for it join up. Talk about the age of entitlement.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Hi all,

Apparently 6029 has not been sold through the tendered EOI sale process.

In fact the administrator appears confident that the ARHS(ACT) or another body may be back in place soon.  It is interesting to see the administrator is recommending that the heritage assets should be held by a trust at arms length from the operations organisation.  This is an important lesson to be learned from this fiasco!

See - https://the-riotact.com/heritage-trains-may-be-back-on-track-by-years-end/218987#.WdsKjt6eaCR.facebook

Happy preserving.

John
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And a good rebuttal from our anonymous friends:
https://arhsliquidation.wordpress.com/2017/10/09/what-is-going-on/

A clear and concise response from an actual figure of authority would be welcome.

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