Push to put trains back on Casino-Mur'bah rail line

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 15 Oct 2017 15:02
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The injustice of the closure is they shut the whole line not just truncated it and while they cried uneconomical they knowingly ran the smaller patronage XPT then we watch in 2017 the state Government spend billions on pie in the sky road and rail projects, sure they are rolling it, the romance of rail is nearly gone.
Junction box

How are they pie in the sky projects when some have completed construction, some are nearly finished and some are under construction. An extra 40 something new waratah trains. A new intercity fleet to cope with capacity requirements and a new single regional fleet that will be more economical to run. They have built or are in the process of building everything they promised they would.

It isn't just trains either with new hospitals built throughout the state s well.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

A new station would have to be built because I don't think the main bridge is capable of handling the XPT or Xplorer.
What main bridge?
barryc

At lismore as well as others along the route. much of which has already been taken over by trees. If it is left for long enough it will eventually fade in memory.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

The dream that will not go away.
I have travelled on this, a delightful ride but totally unsuited to modern needs. If you were going to link Byron with the Gold Coast, you would use a new alignment somewhat along the freeway and pick up growing resort towns with potential traffic, finishing in a major conurbation, not a small town in the canefields.
Construction cost would race past $200M so what should come out of the NSW budget?
Any issues with building the line in Cape Gauge and linking to the QR network?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The dream that will not go away.
I have travelled on this, a delightful ride but totally unsuited to modern needs. If you were going to link Byron with the Gold Coast, you would use a new alignment somewhat along the freeway and pick up growing resort towns with potential traffic, finishing in a major conurbation, not a small town in the canefields.
Construction cost would race past $200M so what should come out of the NSW budget?
Any issues with building the line in Cape Gauge and linking to the QR network?
62440

yes there is a problem with cape gauge. QLD should convert to standard gauge in this direction of travel towards the nsw border from Brisbane.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The dream that will not go away.
I have travelled on this, a delightful ride but totally unsuited to modern needs. If you were going to link Byron with the Gold Coast, you would use a new alignment somewhat along the freeway and pick up growing resort towns with potential traffic, finishing in a major conurbation, not a small town in the canefields.
Construction cost would race past $200M so what should come out of the NSW budget?
Any issues with building the line in Cape Gauge and linking to the QR network?

yes there is a problem with cape gauge. QLD should convert to standard gauge in this direction of travel towards the nsw border from Brisbane.
simstrain
yes there is a problem with standard gauge. NSW should convert to broad gauge in all directions of travel towards the vic border from Sydney.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

So where should we have the break of gauge? Byron Bay? Coolangatta Airport? Lismore? Wherever it is, the old line is not going to be the preferred route so let the cyclists and walkers have it.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The dream that will not go away.
I have travelled on this, a delightful ride but totally unsuited to modern needs. If you were going to link Byron with the Gold Coast, you would use a new alignment somewhat along the freeway and pick up growing resort towns with potential traffic, finishing in a major conurbation, not a small town in the canefields.
Construction cost would race past $200M so what should come out of the NSW budget?
Any issues with building the line in Cape Gauge and linking to the QR network?

yes there is a problem with cape gauge. QLD should convert to standard gauge in this direction of travel towards the nsw border from Brisbane.
yes there is a problem with standard gauge. NSW should convert to broad gauge in all directions of travel towards the vic border from Sydney.
Dangersdan707
All BG should be banished.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The dream that will not go away.
I have travelled on this, a delightful ride but totally unsuited to modern needs. If you were going to link Byron with the Gold Coast, you would use a new alignment somewhat along the freeway and pick up growing resort towns with potential traffic, finishing in a major conurbation, not a small town in the canefields.
Construction cost would race past $200M so what should come out of the NSW budget?
Any issues with building the line in Cape Gauge and linking to the QR network?

yes there is a problem with cape gauge. QLD should convert to standard gauge in this direction of travel towards the nsw border from Brisbane.
yes there is a problem with standard gauge. NSW should convert to broad gauge in all directions of travel towards the vic border from Sydney.
All BG should be banished.
nswtrains
now we know that's not going to happen. same with banishing SG
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

So where should we have the break of gauge? Byron Bay? Coolangatta Airport? Lismore? Wherever it is, the old line is not going to be the preferred route so let the cyclists and walkers have it.
62440
Any line that heads south of brisbane towards NSW should be converted to standard gauge. North and west can stay NG.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
All BG should be banished.
nswtrains
Whadideyedo?

BG
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
If Sim's is refering to the Gold Coast Line conversion from NG to SG or even DG, you are dreaming and that's the polite version. There is 1000 times more reasons to DG south of the border than north.

Regarding reopening of the Murwillumbah branch

- Casino to Lismore: is for me a just do it, its low cost, reasonable alignment and lower maintenance costs as it doesn't suffer from the high level of timber bridge proliferation like the rest of the line. Its also a larger city and one with demand from students etc due to the presence of the Uni. Its also highly comparable to Armidale and its a case of if they can, then Lismore deserves more so as the length of track only used by passenger services is far shorter and the XPT carries twice the bodies than the Armidale service.

The Grafton and Casino trains should actually terminate at Lismore than current locations.
Grafton 18,000 pop
Casino 10,000 pop
Lismore 27,000 pop

- Lismore to Byron:  Forget it, dead, so many reasons it shall remain closed and would need a major major rebuild to not only reopen, but fix the reasons it closed in the first place. Convert to a Bike Trail, at least more people will use it.

- Byron to Murwillumbah: Preserve the corridor for future use as a extension of the Gold Coast line in the future. If a rail society want to take it on, be our guest but its unlikely to be viable but I would like to see it happen. Preservation of the corridor would also include the former alignment to Ballina.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

If Sim's is refering to the Gold Coast Line conversion from NG to SG or even DG, you are dreaming and that's the polite version. There is 1000 times more reasons to DG south of the border than north.

Regarding reopening of the Murwillumbah branch

- Casino to Lismore: is for me a just do it, its low cost, reasonable alignment and lower maintenance costs as it doesn't suffer from the high level of timber bridge proliferation like the rest of the line. Its also a larger city and one with demand from students etc due to the presence of the Uni. Its also highly comparable to Armidale and its a case of if they can, then Lismore deserves more so as the length of track only used by passenger services is far shorter and the XPT carries twice the bodies than the Armidale service.

The Grafton and Casino trains should actually terminate at Lismore than current locations.
Grafton 18,000 pop
Casino 10,000 pop
Lismore 27,000 pop

- Lismore to Byron:  Forget it, dead, so many reasons it shall remain closed and would need a major major rebuild to not only reopen, but fix the reasons it closed in the first place. Convert to a Bike Trail, at least more people will use it.

- Byron to Murwillumbah: Preserve the corridor for future use as a extension of the Gold Coast line in the future. If a rail society want to take it on, be our guest but its unlikely to be viable but I would like to see it happen. Preservation of the corridor would also include the former alignment to Ballina.
RTT_Rules
There is no reason to DG south of the qld border. QLD are going to have to change to SG if they want their trains to cross the border.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
If Sim's is refering to the Gold Coast Line conversion from NG to SG or even DG, you are dreaming and that's the polite version. There is 1000 times more reasons to DG south of the border than north.

Regarding reopening of the Murwillumbah branch

- Casino to Lismore: is for me a just do it, its low cost, reasonable alignment and lower maintenance costs as it doesn't suffer from the high level of timber bridge proliferation like the rest of the line. Its also a larger city and one with demand from students etc due to the presence of the Uni. Its also highly comparable to Armidale and its a case of if they can, then Lismore deserves more so as the length of track only used by passenger services is far shorter and the XPT carries twice the bodies than the Armidale service.

The Grafton and Casino trains should actually terminate at Lismore than current locations.
Grafton 18,000 pop
Casino 10,000 pop
Lismore 27,000 pop

- Lismore to Byron:  Forget it, dead, so many reasons it shall remain closed and would need a major major rebuild to not only reopen, but fix the reasons it closed in the first place. Convert to a Bike Trail, at least more people will use it.

- Byron to Murwillumbah: Preserve the corridor for future use as a extension of the Gold Coast line in the future. If a rail society want to take it on, be our guest but its unlikely to be viable but I would like to see it happen. Preservation of the corridor would also include the former alignment to Ballina.
There is no reason to DG south of the qld border. QLD are going to have to change to SG if they want their trains to cross the border.
simstrain
There is no reason to DG south of the NSW border. NSW are going to have to change to BG if they want their trains to cross the border.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

thanks for the mimicking me dan but NSW doesn't change and victoria and QLD will.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
thanks for the mimicking me dan but NSW doesn't change and victoria and QLD will.
simstrain
thanks for the mimicking me sims but VIC doesn't change and NSW and QLD will.

OK I'll stop, I get it's annoying.
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

If Sim's is refering to the Gold Coast Line conversion from NG to SG or even DG, you are dreaming and that's the polite version. There is 1000 times more reasons to DG south of the border than north.

Regarding reopening of the Murwillumbah branch

- Casino to Lismore: is for me a just do it, its low cost, reasonable alignment and lower maintenance costs as it doesn't suffer from the high level of timber bridge proliferation like the rest of the line. Its also a larger city and one with demand from students etc due to the presence of the Uni. Its also highly comparable to Armidale and its a case of if they can, then Lismore deserves more so as the length of track only used by passenger services is far shorter and the XPT carries twice the bodies than the Armidale service.

The Grafton and Casino trains should actually terminate at Lismore than current locations.
Grafton 18,000 pop
Casino 10,000 pop
Lismore 27,000 pop

- Lismore to Byron:  Forget it, dead, so many reasons it shall remain closed and would need a major major rebuild to not only reopen, but fix the reasons it closed in the first place. Convert to a Bike Trail, at least more people will use it.

- Byron to Murwillumbah: Preserve the corridor for future use as a extension of the Gold Coast line in the future. If a rail society want to take it on, be our guest but its unlikely to be viable but I would like to see it happen. Preservation of the corridor would also include the former alignment to Ballina.
RTT_Rules
I agree that it makes a lot of sense to reopen the line from Casino to at least Lismore, which is the major regional city on the Far North Coast.  It would probably make more sense to extend the NG from Coolangatta to Lismore as a commuter line.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
thanks for the mimicking me dan but NSW doesn't change and victoria and QLD will.
simstrain
Vic will remove the bulk of its regional BG, but Qld won't and any border crossing will be NG entering NSW.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I agree that it makes a lot of sense to reopen the line from Casino to at least Lismore, which is the major regional city on the Far North Coast.  It would probably make more sense to extend the NG from Coolangatta to Lismore as a commuter line.
Transtopic
Cannot see a commuter line from Qld ever needing to go as far as Lismore, Ballina is a tall ask but more likely.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Line to Murwillumbah should be restored as SG. Any extension to GC should be SG.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Line to Murwillumbah should be restored as SG. Any extension to GC should be SG.
ANR
Both are in the realm of possibility, one more likely than the other.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

thanks for the mimicking me dan but NSW doesn't change and victoria and QLD will.
Vic will remove the bulk of its regional BG, but Qld won't and any border crossing will be NG entering NSW.
RTT_Rules

No it won't. The only rail entering this state from QLD will be the SG G:link. QR in to northern NSW is dead unless QR converts the line to SG.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

thanks for the mimicking me dan but NSW doesn't change and victoria and QLD will.
thanks for the mimicking me sims but VIC doesn't change and NSW and QLD will.

OK I'll stop, I get it's annoying.
Dangersdan707
except vic has changed and has more SG now then BG. We don't have any NG operating in this state and never will.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
except vic has changed and has more SG now then BG. We don't have any NG operating in this state and never will.
simstrain
2'6" looks pretty narrow to me SmileLaughingVery Happy
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

thanks for the mimicking me dan but NSW doesn't change and victoria and QLD will.
Vic will remove the bulk of its regional BG, but Qld won't and any border crossing will be NG entering NSW.

No it won't. The only rail entering this state from QLD will be the SG G:link. QR in to northern NSW is dead unless QR converts the line to SG.
simstrain
QR should have converted any viable line to SG instead of stringing miles upon miles of OHW. I think old Joe was thinking like the Russian Czars when they chose 5ft gauge. If we keep Cape Gauge then those pesky Southerners will never be able to invade Qld.

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