Push to put trains back on Casino-Mur'bah rail line

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 15 Oct 2017 15:02
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
thanks for the mimicking me dan but NSW doesn't change and victoria and QLD will.
thanks for the mimicking me sims but VIC doesn't change and NSW and QLD will.

OK I'll stop, I get it's annoying.
except vic has changed and has more SG now then BG. We don't have any NG operating in this state and never will.
simstrain
According to wikipedia roughly 1,222 km of NSW Gauge, 32 km DG , 2,894 km BG, but 474 km and around 200 due to Murrayville  and Mildura treachery. So roughly 2220 km of BG and 1896 km of NSW.  


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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Has wikipedia been updated to include the line to mildura yet?

As for gauge share it might not be the major share yet but SG is heading upwards in that direction and there is still some SG conversion that has been delayed has it not?

It is only a matter of time before all of the regional lines to the north and west are all SG.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Has wikipedia been updated to include the line to mildura yet?

As for gauge share it might not be the major share yet but SG is heading upwards in that direction and there is still some SG conversion that has been delayed has it not?

It is only a matter of time before all of the regional lines to the north and west are all SG.
simstrain
Nye, Nein, Titan, Nope. I belief that It has not. If it has, then I am overcompensating. Note it Excluded the Deniliquin branch so essentially +70ish kms for BG.

Yes, The Sea Lake and Manangatang Sging has been delayed to do the piss poor job the government did on the Mildura line (hint, they made it worse than before). Apparently till 2020, though others think it may have been thrown under the rug.

No, I doubt Warrnambool, Swan hill and Echuca, Deniliquin, Pangil and Tocumwal will be going SG after this debacle.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
The people from the **City** of Lismore are grumpy on this transport topic (rail) and thus are mounting a campaign to get the consolation prize, the XPT, to save face because they were done over badly on the other transport topic (airport) by the lowly **Shire** of Ballina. For years Casino had Ansett NSW operating Fokker 27 propjets and then upgraded to Fokker F28 jets. Remember Lismore likes to consider itself superior to Casino yet all Lismore can get now are Rex Saab 340 jobs with seating capacity in the mid 30s, or put another way, less than a bus. F27s were in the mid 40s seating.

While Lismore was seering down it nose at the traditional enemy Casino over to the west, the **Shire** of Ballina, so not even a city like Lismore, managed to get an airport upgrade to have Jetstar Airbus 320s and Virgin Boeing 737 aircraft with load capacity around 180 or thereabouts. These airlines operate multiple flights into Ballina each day so the region's tourists and business community would use air not rail to reach Sydney. The Byron Bay tourists mostly use Ballina not Lismore airport, so even that money bypasses Lismore, so no wonder Lismore is clutching at straws and wanting the XPT.....

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/YBNA
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

It is going to happen dan regardless of how much you hate SG. It just needs someone half competent in charge instead of the company that did the job with tacks and toothpicks.
  Sunbird Station Master

The people from the **City** of Lismore are grumpy on this transport topic (rail) and thus are mounting a campaign to get the consolation prize, the XPT, to save face because they were done over badly on the other transport topic (airport) by the lowly **Shire** of Ballina. For years Casino had Ansett NSW operating Fokker 27 propjets and then upgraded to Fokker F28 jets. Remember Lismore likes to consider itself superior to Casino yet all Lismore can get now are Rex Saab 340 jobs with seating capacity in the mid 30s, or put another way, less than a bus. F27s were in the mid 40s seating.

While Lismore was seering down it nose at the traditional enemy Casino over to the west, the **Shire** of Ballina, so not even a city like Lismore, managed to get an airport upgrade to have Jetstar Airbus 320s and Virgin Boeing 737 aircraft with load capacity around 180 or thereabouts. These airlines operate multiple flights into Ballina each day so the region's tourists and business community would use air not rail to reach Sydney. The Byron Bay tourists mostly use Ballina not Lismore airport, so even that money bypasses Lismore, so no wonder Lismore is clutching at straws and wanting the XPT.....

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/YBNA
petan
My memory is the reason NSW found the money to upgrade Ballina airport to jet standard (about 2004 I think) was because once the Chinderah to Yelgun bypass was opened tourists from SYD & MEL found it much more convenient to take a jet to Coolangatta and a bus down the new highway to Byron rather than a turbo prop to Ballina then bus as they had been doing. It was all about competition between Qld and NSW for the Byron tourist traffic. Lismore was never in the running for a jet upgrade.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Even more reason to restore the line to working order....
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Even more reason to restore the line to working order....
ANR

No it isn't. The solar train might in the future extend to mullumbimby and ocean shores but the rest of the line is just likely to be taken over by forest in the future.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
thanks for the mimicking me dan but NSW doesn't change and victoria and QLD will.
Vic will remove the bulk of its regional BG, but Qld won't and any border crossing will be NG entering NSW.

No it won't. The only rail entering this state from QLD will be the SG G:link. QR in to northern NSW is dead unless QR converts the line to SG.
QR should have converted any viable line to SG instead of stringing miles upon miles of OHW. I think old Joe was thinking like the Russian Czars when they chose 5ft gauge. If we keep Cape Gauge then those pesky Southerners will never be able to invade Qld.
nswtrains
Whats the point of conversion for the sake of conversion only. The cross border rail to rail traffic is not huge and as much of originates from north Qld then swapping trains isn't a major cost or time issue.

You would also need to look at what traffic flows on rail on one side then converts to truck on the other and why to see if a constant rail gauge would make a difference.
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

Whats the point of conversion for the sake of conversion only. The cross border rail to rail traffic is not huge and as much of originates from north Qld then swapping trains isn't a major cost or time issue.

You would also need to look at what traffic flows on rail on one side then converts to truck on the other and why to see if a constant rail gauge would make a difference.
RTT_Rules
There's already a SG connection to Brisbane and if ever there were to be a viable case to reopen the line to Murwillumbah to say Tweed Heads/Coolangatta, to connect with the NG line from Brisbane, it should be dual gauge from at least Ballina or Byron Bay.

The Gold Coast would be the major destination for travellers to and from Sydney, otherwise they can take the existing route direct to Brisbane.  There's no need for SG continuing through to Brisbane via the Gold Coast.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Whats the point of conversion for the sake of conversion only. The cross border rail to rail traffic is not huge and as much of originates from north Qld then swapping trains isn't a major cost or time issue.

You would also need to look at what traffic flows on rail on one side then converts to truck on the other and why to see if a constant rail gauge would make a difference.
There's already a SG connection to Brisbane and if ever there were to be a viable case to reopen the line to Murwillumbah to say Tweed Heads/Coolangatta, to connect with the NG line from Brisbane, it should be dual gauge from at least Ballina or Byron Bay.

The Gold Coast would be the major destination for travellers to and from Sydney, otherwise they can take the existing route direct to Brisbane.  There's no need for SG continuing through to Brisbane via the Gold Coast.
Transtopic
If its an extension of the Gold Coast line, it will be NG, someone will have to fund the extra bucks for DG and it won't be Qld and NSW won't if they don't have any intention to use it. The Solar train will simply be by-passed, ie not share the same tracks and I owned the solar train there is no way in hell I would want to be linked with QR rules and regulations and $200M or whatever Public liability insurance.

Ironically it can be faster to travel via Brisbane and GC train than the old way to M/bah and bus up to Surfers and for me this is why I don't see the NSW govt funding a rebuild of the M/bah branch any time soon.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Whats the point of conversion for the sake of conversion only. The cross border rail to rail traffic is not huge and as much of originates from north Qld then swapping trains isn't a major cost or time issue.

You would also need to look at what traffic flows on rail on one side then converts to truck on the other and why to see if a constant rail gauge would make a difference.
There's already a SG connection to Brisbane and if ever there were to be a viable case to reopen the line to Murwillumbah to say Tweed Heads/Coolangatta, to connect with the NG line from Brisbane, it should be dual gauge from at least Ballina or Byron Bay.

The Gold Coast would be the major destination for travellers to and from Sydney, otherwise they can take the existing route direct to Brisbane.  There's no need for SG continuing through to Brisbane via the Gold Coast.
Transtopic

NSW and the main interstate rail network are SG and so there should be no NG in NSW. Just as in time the small amount of BG will have to be changed to SG which will lead to connections to other parts of the NSW SG network. There is always a need for SG in NSW and all rail in NSW and the country should be SG'd.
  GeorgePuss Station Staff

Location: nsw
Interesting conversation based on 19th Century infrastructure and demographics. Yes the State governments have hindered progress and perhaps  putting an argument based on 19th Century issues at least places it in their time scale for decision making.

!!!But Wait !! There is an "Elephant" in the Room;and a large one at that.

A Recent post in this forum Highlights Infrastructure Australia in its 14 Feb 2019 report giving as a high Priority Initiative

"Preserve corridor for East Coast High Speed Rail" . The route preserved will determine how existing and planned transport systems will develop; on both coastal and inland corridors. and its route will impact al lof Casino, the Tweed and the Gold Coast


Ok I can hear the moans and groans already but now the second Sydney Airport is going ahead this project becomes top of the nation building tree.

Perhaps even Australian Politicians, and it will be a federal initiative, can recognize the rapid development is already happening along the coast between Brisbane and Sydney and delay in Preserving the corridor will be extremely expensive.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Sydney second airport is not an example of nation building.

It is an example of Sydney building....
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Interesting conversation based on 19th Century infrastructure and demographics. Yes the State governments have hindered progress and perhaps  putting an argument based on 19th Century issues at least places it in their time scale for decision making.

!!!But Wait !! There is an "Elephant" in the Room;and a large one at that.

A Recent post in this forum Highlights Infrastructure Australia in its 14 Feb 2019 report giving as a high Priority Initiative

"Preserve corridor for East Coast High Speed Rail" . The route preserved will determine how existing and planned transport systems will develop; on both coastal and inland corridors. and its route will impact al lof Casino, the Tweed and the Gold Coast


Ok I can hear the moans and groans already but now the second Sydney Airport is going ahead this project becomes top of the nation building tree.

Perhaps even Australian Politicians, and it will be a federal initiative, can recognize the rapid development is already happening along the coast between Brisbane and Sydney and delay in Preserving the corridor will be extremely expensive.
GeorgePuss
HSR is designed for long distance travel, not Ballina to COOL airport or Lismore to Casino.  its also a project for another decade and it won't be the next one.

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