2018 State Election / Transport

 
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
I thought that I would start  a thread as the Libs have released a policy today on this topic .
The announcement was that 50 ( Sound Familiar ?) dangerous road intersections would be grade separated in the event of a coalition win next year . This is in addition to resurrecting East /West link ; ( Wasn``t there an election about that last time according to Mr Abbott ? As well as the North West Link all road related .
      The construction authority is to be the current Level Crossing Removal Authority renamed .
It is unclear to me if the Crossing removals announced but not commence ie on the current would be continued with or scrapped .
        The current Govt record is by no means unblemished but I have yet to hear the Libs say or announce ANYTHING original or far - sighted in the way of transport planning that is not road fixated .
        By the way I drive a car and am not anti - road just pro -balanced planning .
         What do others think and is this thread worth continuing to examine both sides policies ? Which in fact affect ALL the state not just Melbourne

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  stooge spark Train Controller

Location: My House
Is there even another 50 dangerous/annoying enough to be grade seperated? I can count maybe another 20 or 30.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I'm going to wait until Guy & Co release some actual public transport policies...
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
I'm going to wait until Guy & Co release some actual public transport policies...
LancedDendrite
If they do !
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The 2018 state election is almost exactly 1 year away.

I think this thread is premature.

Mike.
  damooops Junior Train Controller

Location: The Revenue Raising State
The 2018 state election is almost exactly 1 year away.

I think this thread is premature.

Mike.
The Vinelander
If you stand close enough Mike, you may nearly be able to smell the anticipated pork barrelling Laughing
  MetroFemme Assistant Commissioner

Would anyone consider guy providing a policy for airport rail? This may just trump Andrews who is really under pressure.

Back on east west link bandwagon is not good policy and may again cost them an election victory. Do the liberals live in some time warp?

Out today another study showing 18 to 28's are not buying cars and are not getting their drivers licence so we are approaching a generation now who will avoid using cars. The study shows increased bicycle, walking and public transport. Matthew guy is quite clearly behind the times.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Is there even another 50 dangerous/annoying enough to be grade seperated? I can count maybe another 20 or 30.
stooge spark
They should continue to grade separate crossings until they are all gone. That way they do not hinder train operations.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I doubt if Guy can even spell "train"; let alone recognise one or understand what it does.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I doubt if Guy can even spell "train"; let alone recognise one or understand what it does.
Valvegear
His electorate of Bulleen doesn't even have a train line.  I suspect you might be right.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

I believe the announcement is talking about congested or dangerous ROAD intersections, not railway crossings.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

yawn
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I doubt if Guy can even spell "train"; let alone recognise one or understand what it does.
Valvegear
He certainly can - Matthew Guy's father is a railway enthusiast. Sometimes knowledge and passion for a field don't come as a package deal...
  stooge spark Train Controller

Location: My House
It is definitely about road intersection grade seps, perhaps a move to other transport would be needed?
anyways, heres a list of the intersections supposedly announced:
  • 1 Torquay Road and Settlement Road, Belmont
  • 2 Barwon Heads Road and Settlement Road, Belmont
  • 3 Point Cook Road and Princes Hwy, Point Cook
  • 4 Geelong Road and Somerville Road, West Footscray
  • 5 Ballarat Road and McIntyre Road, Sunshine
  • 6 Ballarat Road and Geelong Road, Footscray
  • 7 Gap Road and Horne Street, Sunbury
  • 8 Mickleham Road and Broadmeadows Road, Gladstone Park
  • 9 Sydney Road and Cooper Street, Somerton
  • 10 Sydney Road and Mahoneys Road, Campbellfield
  • 11 Plenty Road and McDonalds Road, South Morang
  • 12 St Georges Road and Bell Street, Preston
  • 13 Albert Street and Bell St, Preston
  • 14 Banksia Street and Lower Heidelberg Road, Heidelberg
  • 15 Fitzsimons Lane and Main Road, Eltham
  • 16 Fitzsimons Lane and Porter Street, Templestowe
  • 17 Williamsons Road and Foote Street, Templestowe
  • 18 Whitehorse Road and Springvale Road, Nunawading
  • 19 Springvale Road and Burwood Hwy, Vermont South
  • 20 Springvale Road and Ferntree Gully Road, Glen Waverley
  • 21 Princes Hwy, Springvale Road and Police Road, Mulgrave
  • 22 Stud Road and Wellington Road, Rowville
  • 23 Princes Hwy and North Road, Clayton
  • 24 Dandenong Road and Warrigal Road, Oakleigh
  • 25 Nepean Hwy and Glenhuntly Road, Elsternwick
  • 26 Nepean Hwy and North Road, Brighton East
  • 27 Nepean Hwy and South Road, Bentleigh
  • 28 Warrigal Road and South Road, Moorabbin
  • 29 Nepean Hwy, Warrigal Road, Lower Dandenong Road, Mentone
  • 30 Boundary Road and Governor Road, Mordialloc
  • 31 Heatherton Road and Hallam Road, Endeavour Hills
  • 32 Racecourse Road and Bald Hill Road, Pakenham
  • 33 Thompsons Road and Western Port Hwy, Lyndhurst
  • 34 Hall Road and Western Port Hwy, Cranbourne West
  • 35 Moorooduc Hwy and Cranbourne Road, Frankston
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Remember the Flinder Street overpass, umm yeah it got demolished since it was a blight on the city and enable development to follow.

You know that St Kilda Junction, that has the road totally grade seperate, oh wait traffic always builds up as it hits the next traffic light.

Yeah there may be extra capacity but it is so limited and the project will cost billions that it is a waste.

It prohibits development, cycling, walking, and other modes of transport except car vehicles. Why should we design a city centric of cars when you can develop a city for people. Walkability and other transport options are key to a better connected city. Public transit may not solve our traffic woes, but building more roads won't either. You need to plan housing next to jobs, charging fare on busy roads, and all modes of transport working in unison. Otherwise you get neighbourhoods with parked cars everywhere taking up valuable room and people unable to take alternative modes of transport to suit their needs. Everyone has the right to use the roads but building your city dependent on the road network is short term thinking.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Hey the Liberal's even kept their catch phrase when Tony Abbot was campaigning with the Liberals on the East West Link. In their document, it says

"If you are stuck with Daniel Andrews, you are going to be stuck in traffic"

Seem to me that the LNP are upset that their pet project was cancelled.

  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I'm relieved to see that Balaclava Road and Hawthorn Road Caulfield North is NOT on the list.
Do we have any idea how much this will cost, what needs to be sold to build it, or which roads will be tolled to fund it?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
It is definitely about road intersection grade seps, perhaps a move to other transport would be needed?
anyways, heres a list of the intersections supposedly announced:
  • 1 Torquay Road and Settlement Road, Belmont
  • 2 Barwon Heads Road and Settlement Road, Belmont
  • 3 Point Cook Road and Princes Hwy, Point Cook
  • 4 Geelong Road and Somerville Road, West Footscray
  • 5 Ballarat Road and McIntyre Road, Sunshine
  • 6 Ballarat Road and Geelong Road, Footscray
  • 7 Gap Road and Horne Street, Sunbury
  • 8 Mickleham Road and Broadmeadows Road, Gladstone Park
  • 9 Sydney Road and Cooper Street, Somerton
  • 10 Sydney Road and Mahoneys Road, Campbellfield
  • 11 Plenty Road and McDonalds Road, South Morang
  • 12 St Georges Road and Bell Street, Preston
  • 13 Albert Street and Bell St, Preston
  • 14 Banksia Street and Lower Heidelberg Road, Heidelberg
  • 15 Fitzsimons Lane and Main Road, Eltham
  • 16 Fitzsimons Lane and Porter Street, Templestowe
  • 17 Williamsons Road and Foote Street, Templestowe
  • 18 Whitehorse Road and Springvale Road, Nunawading
  • 19 Springvale Road and Burwood Hwy, Vermont South
  • 20 Springvale Road and Ferntree Gully Road, Glen Waverley
  • 21 Princes Hwy, Springvale Road and Police Road, Mulgrave
  • 22 Stud Road and Wellington Road, Rowville
  • 23 Princes Hwy and North Road, Clayton
  • 24 Dandenong Road and Warrigal Road, Oakleigh
  • 25 Nepean Hwy and Glenhuntly Road, Elsternwick
  • 26 Nepean Hwy and North Road, Brighton East
  • 27 Nepean Hwy and South Road, Bentleigh
  • 28 Warrigal Road and South Road, Moorabbin
  • 29 Nepean Hwy, Warrigal Road, Lower Dandenong Road, Mentone
  • 30 Boundary Road and Governor Road, Mordialloc
  • 31 Heatherton Road and Hallam Road, Endeavour Hills
  • 32 Racecourse Road and Bald Hill Road, Pakenham
  • 33 Thompsons Road and Western Port Hwy, Lyndhurst
  • 34 Hall Road and Western Port Hwy, Cranbourne West
  • 35 Moorooduc Hwy and Cranbourne Road, Frankston
stooge spark
Of this list these are the only practical grade separation, 4,8,9,18,19,21,22,23,24,28,29,31,33,34,35.

Some on this list are Insane, and would rip the guts out of a public / community centre, like 7,10,25.

I can't find #3 on the map (unless their talking about better access to the M1 freeway)
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

There is parallel discussion on this topic, including costs, in the “Grade seperate [sic] 55 road intersections in Melbourne and Geelong” thread in the "Other Transport" forum. Selling Victoria's share of the Snowy Mountains Scheme was given as one source of funding.
  stooge spark Train Controller

Location: My House
@Nightfire there is no Princes highway/Point cook road intersection, so you might be right on the M1 bit, currently Central Avenue intersects with Pt cook road at grade, so it might involve that, well that or more ramps.
Also, could you mind explaining #31 and reasons it should be removed? I can get the other ones, but that one seems pretty typical, but I've only been through that intersection once.
Also whhy should 5 be kept, its a pretty garbage intersection and is just a mess.
As for the others 1, 2 are clearly pr stunts, as are 7, 11 and 14.
And of course,  you cant have a grade sep list without some dumb list, most of the Nepean highway ones in particular, specifically 25.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
@Nightfire there is no Princes highway/Point cook road intersection, so you might be right on the M1 bit, currently Central Avenue intersects with Pt cook road at grade, so it might involve that, well that or more ramps.
Also, could you mind explaining #31 and reasons it should be removed? I can get the other ones, but that one seems pretty typical, but I've only been through that intersection once.
Also whhy should 5 be kept, its a pretty garbage intersection and is just a mess.
As for the others 1, 2 are clearly pr stunts, as are 7, 11 and 14.
And of course,  you cant have a grade sep list without some dumb list, most of the Nepean highway ones in particular, specifically 25.
stooge spark

Agree with the PR stunt comment.

The 1st intersection listed sees the majority of traffic coming off and going on to Torquay Rd from Settlement Rd, a right hand/left hand turn which therefore an underpass wouldn't fix the congestion issue.



The 2nd intersection at Barwon Heads Rd & Settlement Rd is on a flood plain!
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

This Railpage not Roadpage it is enough to give Ragepage...............
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
He certainly can - Matthew Guy's father is a railway enthusiast. Sometimes knowledge and passion for a field don't come as a package deal...
LancedDendrite
Really? now that is surprising.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Hey. State election is coming. This is a project I wanna get pushed its in the Infrastructure Victoria list.

It will be called Outer West Suburban Rail upgrades to be done parallel to the current road upgrades in the west. About 2-3 billion in cost, may inflate over time. But can happen over a 5-10 year period. But planning work must start 2018 and the works conclude by 2023-2026. This ain't unfeasible foam, these works make sense for the future of the outer suburban network and allows the Geelong line to come off the RRL and the RRL to become its own suburban rail line.

-Werribee line extension $500 million
New stations: West Werribee, Black Forest
New stabling yards
New 3/4 platforms at Wyndham Vale

-RRL upgrade $500 million
New stations at Tarneit West, Sayers Road, Truganina
New flyover where intersects Ballarat corridor
New third track in sections around stations for Express trains to overpass all stopping services

-Sunshine to Deerpark Quadding $700 million
Upgrades to Ardeer station
Grade separation of level crossings at Mt Derrimut Road and Robison Road
New 3/4 platforms at Deer Park station
A rail underpass at Sunshine junction

-Melton Electrification $500 million
Electrifying the tracks on the Ballarat corridor
Additional station at Mt Atkinson
To be rolled out alongside the rail quadding project
  stooge spark Train Controller

Location: My House
Hey. State election is coming. This is a project I wanna get pushed its in the Infrastructure Victoria list.

It will be called Outer West Suburban Rail upgrades to be done parallel to the current road upgrades in the west. About 2-3 billion in cost, may inflate over time. But can happen over a 5-10 year period. But planning work must start 2018 and the works conclude by 2023-2026. This ain't unfeasible foam, these works make sense for the future of the outer suburban network and allows the Geelong line to come off the RRL and the RRL to become its own suburban rail line.

-Werribee line extension $500 million
New stations: West Werribee, Black Forest
New stabling yards
New 3/4 platforms at Wyndham Vale

-RRL upgrade $500 million
New stations at Tarneit West, Sayers Road, Truganina
New flyover where intersects Ballarat corridor
New third track in sections around stations for Express trains to overpass all stopping services

-Sunshine to Deerpark Quadding $700 million
Upgrades to Ardeer station
Grade separation of level crossings at Mt Derrimut Road and Robison Road
New 3/4 platforms at Deer Park station
A rail underpass at Sunshine junction

-Melton Electrification $500 million
Electrifying the tracks on the Ballarat corridor
Additional station at Mt Atkinson
To be rolled out alongside the rail quadding project
James974
Considering you've said this will all cost just 2-3 billion dollars, I'm gonna say it's foam, Melton Electrifying is gonna cost more then that, You're electrifing 20 odd Kms of track and want an extra station on top of that, and you've got the RRL upgrade with a third track, three new stations, and an extra flyover.
I think youre just a tad optimistic James.

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