Will Shonky Sam finaly be sacked

 
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Seeing as how your all full on into LNP bashing its about time for fair turnabout.
How long till bill shorten grows a pair of balls and tells his union sponsors to get stuffed and i am going to sack slimy sam dastyari over his massive suck up to the Chinese business tycoon and passing on classified infomation.

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Totally agree here.  This smells very fishy.  And to go into the senate and say it is not how he remembers it is rubbish - lies to the hilt....
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

No dought Shanghai Sam has form, struggling to find middle ground on this latest episode.
It's ether nothing to see hear or, sack him and have the AFP investigate. Presently leaning towards the later.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Seeing as how your all full on into LNP bashing its about time for fair turnabout.
How long till bill shorten grows a pair of balls and tells his union sponsors to get stuffed and i am going to sack slimy sam dastyari over his massive suck up to the Chinese business tycoon and passing on classified infomation.
Clyde Goodwin2
And the LNP needs to be bashed too, I can assure you of that! , but yes, Shanghai Sam has to go, you can't have pollys holding senior positions that do those grubby deals, but will he sack him, hmmmm, probably not!

Kind Regards
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

An AFP investigation should be authorised by bill shorton if he is as squeeky clean as he makes his mate Shonky sam out to be.

I made some mumbled comments to some friends/Donors is now shown to actually be I gave a speech to Chinese journalists and business tycoons that was clearly stated  and information laden not some mumbling half comment  like shonky sam earlier said it was it seems.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Seeing as how your all full on into LNP bashing its about time for fair turnabout.
How long till bill shorten grows a pair of balls and tells his union sponsors to get stuffed and i am going to sack slimy sam dastyari over his massive suck up to the Chinese business tycoon and passing on classified infomation.
, but yes, Shanghai Sam has to go, you can't have pollys holding senior positions that do those grubby deals, but will he sack him, hmmmm, probably not!

Kind Regards
Take your stupid labor party garbage back to its own thread.
lsrailfan
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Should Sam get punted, will be interesting to see where he pops up next, some board lobby group or perhaps with Andrew Robb.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Seeing as how your all full on into LNP bashing its about time for fair turnabout.
How long till bill shorten grows a pair of balls and tells his union sponsors to get stuffed and i am going to sack slimy sam dastyari over his massive suck up to the Chinese business tycoon and passing on classified infomation.
, but yes, Shanghai Sam has to go, you can't have pollys holding senior positions that do those grubby deals, but will he sack him, hmmmm, probably not!

Kind Regards
Take your stupid labor party garbage back to its own thread.
Clyde Goodwin2
Um, I just said Shanghai Sam should go, because you can't have people holding senior cabinet positions doing those grubby deals, or is there something you didn't read correctly Rolling Eyes
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

israilfan
No you had to bring your ignorant bias into this thread which has NOTHING to do with the LNP but obviously your too thick to understand the difference between parties or are you just trolling for reactions.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

CG2, you began this post, and nine words in you wrote LNP......
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
israilfan
No you had to bring your ignorant bias into this thread which has NOTHING to do with the LNP but obviously your too thick to understand the difference between parties or are you just trolling for reactions.
Yes, I know it has nothing to do with the LNP, Sam is an ALP Member, and I agree with you, that Bill should sack him!! like you say mate, it has to work both ways here, I do not hold any bias here, if there is dodgy deals on both sides, I will call it as I see fit, now you can take it or leave it

Kind Regards
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

This is surely an acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, no?

If this can't be referred to the HCA and dealt with, it will finally be proof that Section 44 of the Constitution is broken and needs to be tightened.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I reckon Bob Carr has a few questions to answer as well...

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/11/29/dont-risk-china-relationship-us-carr

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-05/asio-china-spy-raid/8589094

"After arriving in Sydney, Mr Huang developed a shopping centre and launched a philanthropy blitz, donating millions of dollars to medical research and universities, including $1.8 million to help found the Australia China Relations Institute at the University of Technology Sydney.

The institute is headed by Bob Carr, whom Mr Huang claims he hand-picked. Mr Carr (who declined an interview request) disputes this, although it's unquestionable that Mr Huang's large donation provided an open channel to the former foreign minister and premier."
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
now another reason to
- quell foreign investment
- ban political donations from overseas
- make parties show who donates to them
- attempt to end American and Chinese political subtufuse (yes my spelling is smeg)

my thoughts
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Carnot
Yes It is very much a long time overdue for Carr to be brought under the spotlight for questioning too.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

now another reason to
- quell foreign investment
- ban political donations from overseas
- make parties show who donates to them
- attempt to end American and Chinese political subtufuse (yes my spelling is smeg)

my thoughts
Dangersdan707
So we ban ALL the massive amounts of investments in Buildings/Land/Mining by the massive CANADIAN Superanuation funds too then do we??

EVERY Country (well except the povety stricken 3rd world ones)invest in other countries projects,its called Business.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It's time that donations to political figures or parties are recognised for what they are - attempted bribery.
Investment is one thing, and I have no problem with it if it's properly controlled. Bribery is something else.

Sam has to go because not only did he accept bribes, but tipped off his Chinese mate that he may be under surveillance.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

It's time that donations to political figures or parties are recognised for what they are - attempted bribery.
Investment is one thing, and I have no problem with it if it's properly controlled. Bribery is something else.

Sam has to go because not only did he accept bribes, but tipped off his Chinese mate that he may be under surveillance.
Valvegear
Valvegear spot on mate,this Chinese businessman dropped a sizable donation into labors coffers as well as into the libs,basicly a each way bet but then went on to pay shonky sams PERSONAL Debts/trips also.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Clyde goodwin 2, I mean Heavily regulate foreign investment,
I believe that all parties should disclose who donated to them and HOW MUCH WAS GIVEN to the parties.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
I Agree with CG2, this should be going to the AFP. Oh hang on better yet, it would be better if there was a Federal ICAC.

If we had one we could try to find out:
  • How did a journalist obtain this threat to national security?
  • Who leaked the national security?
  • Does a foreign donation influence our political parties. both the ALP and LNP are recipients of donations from this chap.

I totally agree with the attacks on Sam. However I want to know as the LNP are claiming that this is a national security matter, who leaked it out from the national security committee? As far as I know that this committee is made up of the government, ie high level LNP.

If we only had a Federal ICAC. But both parties are gutless and like to keep the status quo as it suits their access to money, irrespective of source. I am disgusted with our modern politicians.

The fact that Turnbull finally called a royal commission into banks, only came about due to public pressure. It is laughable that they used the banks wrote to us to say they should. So they rather listen to the banks than the electorate that have been asking for this for the past two years.

The whole lot, ALP, LNP, ONP, greens are deplorable.

There is really a political class in Australia now.  The main interest is self survival as exhibited by the many of them being referred to the high court for citizenship issues. All said I didn't know. Well they didn't really try before the election.

It has been good to see the judiciary sticking to our constitution.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Big J
I am pretty sure that both major parties upper level members have access to the national security committee ,i am open to correction but i seem to recall thats the way its set up.
Yes ALL professional pollies do truly suck nowdays.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Big J
I am pretty sure that both major parties upper level members have access to the national security committee ,i am open to correction but i seem to recall thats the way its set up.
Yes ALL professional pollies do truly suck nowdays.
Clyde Goodwin2
Yes I admit I am not sure on that, however the issue I have is that there is no independent corruption investigation unit for the Feds. So unfortunatley for us "outsiders" we will NEVER find out the truth. Whatever we will be told it will be politicised.

We need independent reviews. This is not a AFP job. It is a job for an appropriate permanent commission. All of the states have these now. We all remember our state governments use to pretend that there is no corruption until these were established. And surprise, surprise, amazing how pollies of all colours have found not to be honest. And pleasingly these scum have been sent to gaol. It helps to restore faith that there are checks and balances and in Qld Local governments are currently are under the pump.

We need this to be at the Australian government level. It will shake the tree and improve governance. The sad part is that most of the pollies are honest and are motivated to improve our lot in society. But unfortunately there are a minority that do not have the same motivation and hold positions of influence that control the future of the honest reps and senators. Those need to be weeded out. At the moment they only fear their own party systems, not law enforcement nor judiciary agencies.

Sadly I see this not occurring for another 5 years. At least in the public domain it is starting to gain traction. But it will be some time before they will finally act and introduce it. Of course they will try to water it down like in NSW, as they know it is their colleagues that are willing to do the wrong thing.

It is sad that they are willing to make a ABCC and royal commission on the banks, but they are not willing to have a permanent one for our Commonwealth government.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It is sad that they are willing to make a ABCC and royal commission on the banks, but they are not willing to have a permanent one for our Commonwealth government.
"Big J"
There is an urgent need for an Independent Commission Against Corruption. The vital thing is that it must be a Statutory Body so that tampering or lack of funding becomes difficult.
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

What is more annoying is that Trumble was calling for Sneaky Sam to resign.
Why give the bastard a chance to resign and hang onto all the lurks and perks that go with a retired pollie, he should have been calling for Shorten to sack him immediately
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Nothing like hypocrisy though Rolling Eyes

If every pollie who lied and/or took a questionable meeting with someone got booted out of parliament fair enough. The treason stuff is over the top as the guy had sh#t.

To ensure what’s good for this goose is indeed good for the rest of them, then:

1. Definitely need a federal ICAC.
2. Pass that bill banning foreign political donations. The government’s been sitting on that for 15 months.
3. How do you stop influence by proxy. There are local political benefactors who have close relationships with foreign entities (no prizes here Smile )
4. Extend a conflict of interest standard for 5 years after a pollie retires.

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