Will Shonky Sam finaly be sacked

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Ask Robb? Seriously you think LNP pollies don’t partake in more than an occasional Chinese Banquet. Laughing

Labor pollies can go gaga when let near the trough whereas the Libs are born to trough.
Groundrelay
To me this is one of the problems inherent in this issue - the partisan nature of it and Railpage is a great example of what is going on in the wider community in this regards.

When an ALP member comes unstuck ALP sympathisers come running to their defence and point the finger at "the other side". And the reverse happens when a Coalition member is involved.

This deflects some of the spotlight away from the real problem and then (in most cases, clearly not Mr Dastyari though) it goes quietly away.

The system is broken and the losers are Australia and it's citizens. People who blindly support one side of politics over another are part of the problem.

Forget the Class war, the new war is against any and all members of parliament who undermine the great democracy that we have with their self serving ways. And there are a long list of them on both sides of the house.

If we don't fight this now our great democracy we will lose it forever. A democracy that saw a Locomotive Driver from Bathurst rise to become Prime Minister, a man who himself followed another ordinary Australian and probably the greatest Prime Minister Australia has ever seen, John Curtain, into office.

Put down your Red or Blue flags comrades and gentlemen, it is time for a new fight.

BG

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A democracy that saw a Locomotive Driver from Ballarat rise to become Prime Minister,
"BrentonGolding"
Point of order my old lad - a locomotive driver from Bathurst.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
A democracy that saw a Locomotive Driver from Ballarat rise to become Prime Minister,
Point of order my old lad - a locomotive driver from Bathurst.
Valvegear
Thanks Valvegear, I almost died laughing when I read that, lord knows where it came from, now corrected. I love it when you are thinking one thing, you can even visualise it but you still type something completely unrelated. Maybe it was caused by the anger that I was / am feeling about all of this crud.

BG
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I suppose that he will get an indexed pension of a $ squillion/year.

Who said that crime doesn't pay?
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

I suppose that he will get an indexed pension of a $ squillion/year.

Who said that crime doesn't pay?
YM-Mundrabilla
smeg shorton is still using weasel words to defend shonky sam i notice.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Clyde Goodwin 2, I have seemed to notice this, are you are hardline coalition supporter? you seem to really not like the Labor Party, alas only wondering.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

… A democracy that saw a Locomotive Driver from Ballarat rise to become Prime Minister, a man who himself followed another ordinary Australian and probably the greatest Prime Minister Australia has ever seen, John Curtain, into office.

Put down your Red or Blue flags comrades and gentlemen, it is time for a new fight.

BG
BrentonGolding
I agree. Get rid of the flags and have red or blue curtains in the office instead.

Or maybe even more tastefully coloured curtains?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Clyde Goodwin 2, I have seemed to notice this, are you are hardline coalition supporter? you seem to really not like the Labor Party, alas only wondering.
"Dangersdan707"
I'd suspect that Clyde just doesn't like political corruption and nest-feathering by anybody, regardless of party. I have to say that's my position, anyway.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Valvegear
Spot on mate.
DD
When you have been royally screwed over by a major Railway union and the labore party then you will understand.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I suppose that he will get an indexed pension of a $ squillion/year.

Who said that crime doesn't pay?
smeg shorton is still using weasel words to defend shonky sam i notice.
Clyde Goodwin2

Federal Labor stopped taking foreign donations last year but the Liberal Party has not adopted the same approach. Disclosure documents uncovered by the ABC reveal Finance Minister Mathias Cormann received a $20,000 donation from Mr Huang last year. The money was used for Senator Cormann's election campaign.
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  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I suppose that he will get an indexed pension of a $ squillion/year.

Who said that crime doesn't pay?
smeg shorton is still using weasel words to defend shonky sam i notice.
Clyde Goodwin2

Federal Labor stopped taking foreign donations last year but the Liberal Party has not adopted the same approach. Disclosure documents uncovered by the ABC reveal Finance Minister Mathias Cormann received a $20,000 donation from Mr Huang last year. The money was used for Senator Cormann's election campaign.
The ABC
"bingley hall"


Didn't Julie Bishop also get given $500k by Huang's associates as well?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Clyde Goodwin 2, I have seemed to notice this, are you are hardline coalition supporter? you seem to really not like the Labor Party, alas only wondering.
Dangersdan707
I don't know what Clyde's political beliefs are but he can vote for / support anyone he wants can't he? It may surprise you to learn that not everyone supports the Labor Party and some people even support the Coalition - enough to get them re-elected in the last federal election in fact!

I have met rail fans / heritage railway volunteers who vote for the Blue side and I even met a "real railway" driver once who was a staunch Liberal supporter, shock horror! Laughing

BG
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Clyde Goodwin 2, I have seemed to notice this, are you are hardline coalition supporter? you seem to really not like the Labor Party, alas only wondering.
I don't know what Clyde's political beliefs are but he can vote for / support anyone he wants can't he? It may surprise you to learn that not everyone supports the Labor Party and some people even support the Coalition - enough to get them re-elected in the last federal election in fact!

I have met rail fans / heritage railway volunteers who vote for the Blue side and I even met a "real railway" driver once who was a staunch Liberal supporter, shock horror! Laughing

BG
BrentonGolding
There are many a lawyer and other high ranking professionals who are ALP supporters, many senior ALP MP's are lawyers, Gillard being one of them, Hawke I think another. Many would say MT?

On the flip side I have met union members in trades roles who were LNP supporters. Last industrial plant I worked at in Qld, many of the people I worked with from the floor were LNP supporters.  

And despite their political affiliation, most didn't want a union to represent them and previously one small site I worked on which was staff, however our older sister site was union, we were told Management was going to merge the two sites and have unions at both (again breaking another myth), the workers NOT Management stopped it, they were lined up complaining to the GM the day the announcement was made, yet most of them came from union sites and many were hard line ALP supporters.

Then moving sideways we have the old, LNP rips up railways, ALP builds them, which is nothing more than a myth.

So at the end of the day, I don't think there is any hard and fast sterotypes in politics, just perceptions.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Just my two cents on unions. And I am what I regard as a swing voter. Habn't swung to the right since 2001/2004.


Not unfamiliar with the workings of trade unions, from a shop floor perspective. A union should only act on the instructions of it' s members, the people who pay their dues and representatives wages.
On more than one occasion a representative suggested we (a reasonably stable and cohesive workforce of between 120-150 members) should take X offer, or pursue Y course of action. Nice and easy, because said representative wanted to be home in time for dinner.

If option X or Y wasn't acceptable and people wanted something different, the rep. Was told to act on our instructions or get on you bike old mate, and send someone else who will. That site went through several reps, until they worked out we would not be lead by the nose to suit their adgenda.

If some people feel let down by a union, that's unfortunate, but I simply don't believe I was, due to the above.

Regards, Mick.

EDIT Need to add the site was purchased by an opposition business in 2010? And I was made redundant on April fools day 2012.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
The stereotype I grew up with in country Victoria was that the ALP had the very rich professional class, bureaucrats, teachers and the battler class as supporters, Plus of course, the unions.

In my town we saw the Libs as being supported by small business people and their employees; people like shop owners, self employed tradies, people in small factories with a dozen workers, a few farmers, that sort of thing.

Meanwhile the Nationals were supported by dirt poor farmers and people in small, fairly remote towns.

Looking back, that was fairly accurate for the 1980s. But I grew up and moved to the big smoke to get a job as all the industry in my town was closing. I didn't like factory work, so I went to university to put off the time I had to get a real job for a few years.

Since that time the world has changed... a lot.

Todays stereotype is that:
  • Wealthy professionals and hipsters vote Green
  • Those associated with small business still vote Liberal and
  • Dirt poor farmers (and people in industries that support them) still vote National.
That leaves Labour. It appears that no one knows who really supports them apart from the unions, but they are doing rather well with solid voter support and they have more money than all other political parties combined. But is the ALP trying to represent:
  • Well paid professionals, academics, bureaucrats, etc. (The class that is usually associated with the Greens.)
  • Traditional Australian battlers (The sort of people who might identify with Jackie Lambie.)
  • More recent migrants with conservative social values. (Mostly from hot and dry or tropical countries.)
I wonder if the ALP can keep all those groups loyal for much longer as they have values that often conflict. So despite the strong 'brand loyalty' Labour has, things may come to a head and lead to another split, just like the ALP splits in c.1917, c. 1932 and c.1954.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I tend to think that your socially conservative voter will more and more abandon the big parties for minor parties.  Or just disengage from politics all together.

The ALP are going to be in big strife in Western Sydney in the next election.  And more and more inner Melbournegrad seats are going to fall to the Greens.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
@BG I was only curious as I stated because he has been quiet aggressive against the Labour Party, and NO I AM NOT A LABOR OR GREEN SUPPORTER AS I have stated through out multiple threads. I despise The political Status quo of elitists, corrupt union officials and wealthy old men.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
@BG I was only curious as I stated because he has been quiet aggressive against the Labour Party, and NO I AM NOT A LABOR OR GREEN SUPPORTER AS I have stated through out multiple threads. I despise The political Status quo of elitists, corrupt union officials and wealthy old men.
Dangersdan707
Sorry if I miss-interpreted your post but the line "you seem to really not like the Labor Party, alas only wondering" makes you sound like a rusted on ALP supporter to me.

BG
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Bogong, the Labour Party belongs in Britain.
I am staggered at the number of people who profess an interest in Australian politics and do not know that we have a Labor Party.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Considering the massive amount of labor party bias on here its only fair that labor cop a good old fashioned kicking also.
So all you i hate Libs/Nats type please wander off into one of the several PRO labor we hate (insert name) Lib/Nat threads.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Bogong, the Labour Party belongs in Britain.
I am staggered at the number of people who profess an interest in Australian politics and do not know that we have a Labor Party.
Valvegear
Sorry for the slip up Valvegear, you've corrected me before and I should have remembered.

For what it's worth, I blame Miss Shaw, my grade 2 teacher at Castlemaine South state school, who awarded me a rare and highly prized elephant stamp for being the only kid in class who got 100% on a spelling test that included "labour" in the context of a workforce.

But I digress. I slipped up and I will try not to do it again. Me bad.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
For what it's worth, I blame Miss Shaw, my grade 2 teacher at Castlemaine South state school, who awarded me a rare and highly prized elephant stamp for being the only kid in class who got 100% on a spelling test that included "labour" in the context of a workforce.
Bogong
Castlemaine South? Was that the one that is now called Winter's Flat? If so I can pop over and sort Miss Shaw out for you if you want, It is just down the street from me! Laughing

BG
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
For what it's worth, I blame Miss Shaw, my grade 2 teacher at Castlemaine South state school, who awarded me a rare and highly prized elephant stamp for being the only kid in class who got 100% on a spelling test that included "labour" in the context of a workforce.
Castlemaine South? Was that the one that is now called Winter's Flat? If so I can pop over and sort Miss Shaw out for you if you want, It is just down the street from me! Laughing

BG
BrentonGolding
It's official title was technically 'Castlemaine State School P.S. 119'. It was built in the 1860s, a few years before North School, so when I was a kid, it was universally known as South School. (But of course there were other schools in the town like Winters Flat, Campbells Creek etc.)

What do people call South School these days?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
What do people call South School these days?
Bogong
I can't find any reference to it but the only one you haven't listed is called Castlemaine Primary, on the main drag coming in from Chewton just where you hit the "cbd"?

BG

Edit, check out this link, just the advertising alone is worth a look if you are an old Castlemaine-ite!

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  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
...The system is broken and the losers are Australia and it's citizens. People who blindly support one side of politics over another are part of the problem.

Forget the Class war, the new war is against any and all members of parliament who undermine the great democracy that we have with their self serving ways. And there are a long list of them on both sides of the house.

If we don't fight this now our great democracy we will lose it forever. A democracy that saw a Locomotive Driver from Bathurst rise to become Prime Minister, a man who himself followed another ordinary Australian and probably the greatest Prime Minister Australia has ever seen, John Curtain, into office.

Put down your Red or Blue flags comrades and gentlemen, it is time for a new fight.

BG
BrentonGolding
The system is what it has always been. Vested interests will always try and dictate who governs. Political parties aren’t relevant if they can’t get elected so no surprise they’ll do what it takes.  

Our pluralistic democracy is a relatively recent development and in that time society has changed considerably. The Labor Party pre-Whitlam reflected the socio-economic divide of the times. There wasn’t the substantial middle class we now have. There aren’t many people in rags living in shanty towns today.

Most people vote based on their core values rather than one policy or bad experience, however it’s the later that tends to decide elections.

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