Train passengers swelter in 1970s-era trains

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 09 Dec 2017 16:50
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There would surely be very few of these old units running on the network now?

Train passengers swelter in 1970s-era trains

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  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
There would surely be very few of these old units running on the network now?

Train passengers swelter in 1970s-era trains
bevans
It says on inner west and south lines there are 8 sets. If that is your train every morning and afternoon then doesn't matter if its just one set.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Oh wow how did we ever survive our daily commutes to and from work without dying of heatstroke.
You just have to love the modern generations,Can whinge will whinge.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

There are new waratah based B set trains on order and they should be here sometime in 2018 to finish off these old trains. No big deal move along.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

There are new waratah based B set trains on order and they should be here sometime in 2018 to finish off these old trains. No big deal move along.
simstrain
Do not be too sure of that, this is not the first planned withdrawal of the "S" sets, but they are a bit like Lazarus with a triple bypass.

By the time the new rolling stock is ready to be rolled out, if passenger numbers continue to grow, there is no guarantee these cars are not kept in service.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

48 x 4car S sets were retained, after the majority were scrapped in 2012/2013.

Previous Timetable called for 14 x 4car sets, of which 4 x 8car sets were on Standby.

The November 2017 Timetable calls for 36 x 4car sets, of which 1 x 8car set is on Standby.
In this Timetable 2 x 4car sets operate the Carlingford Line service for most of the day.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Assume because by 2019 the new intercity fleet will be arriving moving oscars into suburban service. There is also an option to order more B sets then the 24 currently ordered.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

48 x 4 car S-sets were kept.  24 x 8 car new waratah trains are on order.   So the new waratah order covers the S-set withdrawal exactly.  However, you also need to remember that there are roughly 110x 4 car Intercity trains on order to replace the v-sets and allow 55 x 4 car oscar sets to be transferred to suburban services.  The 55 oscars could replace the K and C sets.  

Then you must also remember that the metro will free up double decks from the epping-chatswood line.  And in about 10 years, the bankstown line will no longer need double decks.  

If in the meantime it will look like extra sets will be needed, I would expect just for them to order a few extra IC trains and run those on carlingford, olympic park and Cumberland line.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
There would surely be very few of these old units running on the network now?

Train passengers swelter in 1970s-era trains
bevans
The have Aircon if you open the windows.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There would surely be very few of these old units running on the network now?

Train passengers swelter in 1970s-era trains
The have Aircon if you open the windows.
mikesyd
Oh the joy of being able to open the windows. There is nothing like fresh air.
Melburnians still swelter and look like continuing to do so in Comengs with stuffy, inadequate, ineffective and/or defective airconditioning.
Give me an open window any time.............Smile
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Oh wow how did we ever survive our daily commutes to and from work without dying of heatstroke.
You just have to love the modern generations,Can whinge will whinge.
Clyde Goodwin2
We did it on red rattlers, harden up media looking for shock horror, not long to go before the Chinese sets arrive.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

There will be a lot more then 110 x 4 car sets. A total of 512 carriages are on order for the new intercity fleet to replace v sets and oscars. They will be able to operate in 4,5 and 6 car sets to allow train sizes from 4-10 cars in length. Newcastle and Wollongong will get them first while the blue mountains is being upgraded to accept the new trains.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

There will be a lot more then 110 x 4 car sets. A total of 512 carriages are on order for the new intercity fleet to replace v sets and oscars. They will be able to operate in 4,5 and 6 car sets to allow train sizes from 4-10 cars in length. Newcastle and Wollongong will get them first while the blue mountains is being upgraded to accept the new trains.
simstrain
Too lazy too look up the exact carriage order number.   However I suspect that the 4,5 and 6 car operation is merely a media ploy to get the public on board.   I'm okay with the 6 car unit, then being able to couple to a 4 car unit to operate a train of similar length to an 8 car v-set.  But i reckon it will most likely be 4 car sets only.  

At best there may be a few (like 8)  5 car sets to permanently operate newcastle express services.   Blue mountainous services won't require more than 8 cars, just frequency increase and more short runnings to springwood.  Same goes for south coast, just the peak frequency at 8 cars going for longer.  
Even newcastle services generally don't warrant more than 8 cars, same could be achieved by more off peak gosford/wyong express short runnings.
  Colonel Leon Junior Train Controller

Location:
Oh wow how did we ever survive our daily commutes to and from work without dying of heatstroke.
You just have to love the modern generations,Can whinge will whinge.
Clyde Goodwin2
You do realise that you're the one complaining the most here...
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

There will be a lot more then 110 x 4 car sets. A total of 512 carriages are on order for the new intercity fleet to replace v sets and oscars. They will be able to operate in 4,5 and 6 car sets to allow train sizes from 4-10 cars in length. Newcastle and Wollongong will get them first while the blue mountains is being upgraded to accept the new trains.
Too lazy too look up the exact carriage order number.   However I suspect that the 4,5 and 6 car operation is merely a media ploy to get the public on board.   I'm okay with the 6 car unit, then being able to couple to a 4 car unit to operate a train of similar length to an 8 car v-set.  But i reckon it will most likely be 4 car sets only.  

At best there may be a few (like 8)  5 car sets to permanently operate newcastle express services.   Blue mountainous services won't require more than 8 cars, just frequency increase and more short runnings to springwood.  Same goes for south coast, just the peak frequency at 8 cars going for longer.  
Even newcastle services generally don't warrant more than 8 cars, same could be achieved by more off peak gosford/wyong express short runnings.
tazzer96
Don't know were 5 car sets came from. Attended official briefings for employees and only 4, 6 and 10 car sets mentioned. The 10 car sets will be a couple 4 and 6 car set. Same goes for 8 car sets. None will exist.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

There are new waratah based B set trains on order and they should be here sometime in 2018 to finish off these old trains. No big deal move along.
simstrain
I heard they will be B sets. Any idea of differences with the A sets?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Oh wow how did we ever survive our daily commutes to and from work without dying of heatstroke.
You just have to love the modern generations,Can whinge will whinge.
Clyde Goodwin2
People did actually die of heatstroke in these torture chambers. They may have been OK in the past but totally unacceptable now.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Oh wow how did we ever survive our daily commutes to and from work without dying of heatstroke.
You just have to love the modern generations,Can whinge will whinge.
People did actually die of heatstroke in these torture chambers. They may have been OK in the past but totally unacceptable now.
nswtrains
Funny as i have never heard about a single case of heatstroke death caused by being in a NON Airconditioned train till you just said it,not even in my 4 years with CityRail  ,Care to provide some Actual numbers and dates .
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Oh the joy of being able to open the windows. There is nothing like fresh air.
Melburnians still swelter and look like continuing to do so in Comengs with stuffy, inadequate, ineffective and/or defective airconditioning.
Give me an open window any time.............Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
The single deck sets weren't too bad even on hot summer afternoons because the windows could open right up (pre Beclawat). I seem to remember louvered blinds that could be lowered as well. The doors allowed lots of air to enter. Why were doors even provided, they weren't used!
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

With respect to the New Intercity Fleet (NIF) which was earlier discussed, this is to further add to the debate as to the number of cars that make-up a set.

December 2017 Railway Digest, in the Rolling Stock contracts and deliveries section, reported the following for the Fleet of 512 cars:-
Quantity    Code    Description (Note: in the code, O stands for Outer Suburban)
   222         OD          Driving Trailer
   111         ON          Non-controlled Motor Car
   111         ONL         Non-controlled Motor Car with Lavatory
     34         ONL         Non-controlled Motor Car with Lavatory
     34         OT           Trailer Car

With these numbers, the following is a possible set consist, together with the number of sets for each consist:-
77 x 4car consist:   OD,  ONL,  ON,  OD.
34 x 6car consist:   OD,  ONL,  ON,  OT,  ONL,  OD.

When the Newcastle Interchange was commissioned back in September, a Weekly Notice specified the following:-
1/ Platform 2 has a length of 272 metres, to accommodate an 8car NIF, plus a 2car Hunter set (Hunter set is 50.5 metres)
2/ Hamilton Sidings consists of 4 storage roads, as follows:-
Sidings 1 and 2 have two berth positions: one at 217 meters in length (Long NIF) and one at 154 meters in length (6car NIF).
Sidings 3 and 4 have one berth position: each at 217 meters to allow for a Long NIF.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

There are new waratah based B set trains on order and they should be here sometime in 2018 to finish off these old trains. No big deal move along.
I heard they will be B sets. Any idea of differences with the A sets?
nswtrains

Not much difference. Slightly different design maybe, some slight mechanical and some electrical updates reflecting there manufacture in 2018 instead of 2010.
  Colonel Leon Junior Train Controller

Location:
There are new waratah based B set trains on order and they should be here sometime in 2018 to finish off these old trains. No big deal move along.
I heard they will be B sets. Any idea of differences with the A sets?
nswtrains
They may have a more modern indicator board system.= instead of the LED ones on the A sets. Hopefully they will have a smoother start than the A sets.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

It is called a Destination Board.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

No idea what you are talking about regarding a smoother start. The waratahs are the smoothest starting trains on the network.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

I do think they will include internal LCD/LED screens similar to the queensland NGR's for general information and advertising.

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