Bicycles and rail transit

 
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I don't know about elsewhere, but more and more railway stations here in Melbourne are being fitted with bike lockers or bike cages.

Think of the range of someone in ordinary clothes on an upright bike. I strongly advocate bicycle accomodation on a lot of mass transit, especially trains that go longer that the range of those cyclists without stopping.

Upright bicycles can be carried, for example, on VLine trains, but while they take up less space than wheelchairs, they need to be strapped and the straps are insecure. How about vertical bike racks on all country and interstate trains, and maybe on some suburban trains too?

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
All that is necessary in the Metrop is for Metro to recognise priority for passengers with bicycles in the 'wheelchair' area of the trailing carriage.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner



Think of the range of someone in ordinary clothes on an upright bike. I strongly advocate bicycle accomodation on a lot of mass transit, especially trains that go longer that the range of those cyclists without stopping.

Myrtone
What does that mean?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Upright bicycles can be carried, for example, on VLine trains, but while they take up less space than wheelchairs, they need to be strapped and the straps are insecure. How about vertical bike racks on all country and interstate trains, and maybe on some suburban trains too?
Myrtone
From my experience, the bike storage on V/Line's Vlocity trains is quite adequate. Vertical bike storage would take up more dedicated space, whereas the current arrangement can also be used to carry wheel-on luggage and so on. It's certainly a step-up from the arrangement on the N-sets, which is to throw the bike in the power/luggage van.

Suburban trains don't need dedicated spaces, they tend to have more open space around the doors (to cram more commuters into them during peak periods) than regional/'country' trains. Sure, you might have to stand up to hold on to your bike but the shorter trip duration offsets that.

Now bike parking at stations... that's another matter. Perth and Brisbane have the right idea in having bike shelters that use their respective transit smartcards for access control - it should be just as easy as taking the bus to the station. It's a pity that we're not likely to see any car parking spaces removed at any Australian railway station to put in secure bike parking (3 car spaces can fit a 50 bike cage). It's a lot quicker to just install them in car parks.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
From my experience, the bike storage on V/Line's Vlocity trains is quite adequate. Vertical bike storage would take up more dedicated space, whereas the current arrangement can also be used to carry wheel-on luggage and so on. It's certainly a step-up from the arrangement on the N-sets, which is to throw the bike in the power/luggage van.
LancedDendrite

Vertical bike storage actually takes up less floor space than horizontal bike storage.

Suburban trains don't need dedicated spaces, they tend to have more open space around the doors (to cram more commuters into them during peak periods) than regional/'country' trains. Sure, you might have to stand up to hold on to your bike but the shorter trip duration offsets that.
LancedDendrite

In order to avoid the stuggles of taking a bike on a train, there needs to be a way of safely securing your bike, and this may require bicycle spaces. Here in Melbourne, a lot of suburban stations are within walking distance of each other so it's often easier just to walk to and from stations that, well, standing up and holding onto a bike on the train. This is not to say bikes should not be permitted.
Unfortunately, we don't run that many express services here in Melbourne, I wish we could do so. These often go for long enough without stopping that bicycle commuters would be a bigger consideration.

Now bike parking at stations... that's another matter. Perth and Brisbane have the right idea in having bike shelters that use their respective transit smartcards for access control - it should be just as easy as taking the bus to the station. It's a pity that we're not likely to see any car parking spaces removed at any Australian railway station to put in secure bike parking (3 car spaces can fit a 50 bike cage). It's a lot quicker to just install them in car parks.
LancedDendrite

We have some secure bike parking here but it can't be accessed with our myki cards.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

I don't know about elsewhere, but more and more railway stations here in Melbourne are being fitted with bike lockers or bike cages.

Think of the range of someone in ordinary clothes on an upright bike. I strongly advocate bicycle accomodation on a lot of mass transit, especially trains that go longer that the range of those cyclists without stopping.

Upright bicycles can be carried, for example, on VLine trains, but while they take up less space than wheelchairs, they need to be strapped and the straps are insecure. How about vertical bike racks on all country and interstate trains, and maybe on some suburban trains too?
Myrtone
As opposed to Laydown Bicycles then.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
And kneeling bicycles as well.
  N463 Locomotive Driver

It's a pity that we're not likely to see any car parking spaces removed at any Australian railway station to put in secure bike parking
LancedDendrite

Whilst not the sort of bikes being discussed here, at Bendigo a couple of parking spaces have been removed for a motorcycle parking area. (They basically put some bollards around the spaces to prevent cars from fitting in, and put up a "Motorcycles Only" sign).

Mind you they have taken out plenty of parking spaces for other reasons as well....

A few went to make way for a second pedestrian crossing (because people are too lazy to walk to the existing one).

Further back, some went to relocate the taxi rank (which was moved to add the 9th and 10th bus bays).


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