Resurrecting the Eaglehawk - Inglewood line New

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Bridgewater platform and station was in good shape when I saw it last.  #20m is lunch money when you consider WGT and North East Link + their overruns.  

If passenger services are extended from Eaglehawk to Marong Myki would need installation at the new stations.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Bridgewater platform and station was in good shape when I saw it last.  #20m is lunch money when you consider WGT and North East Link + their overruns.  

If passenger services are extended from Eaglehawk to Marong Myki would need installation at the new stations.
bevans
Any new V/line station, no matter how basic, costs a minimum of $10-15 million these days....
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

I do believe this line is going to be needed for the MBRP sooner than later.
bevans
Agree! If this ever gets up, it needs to be rebuild in DG to Marong, then on in SG, [perhaps at a stretch with DG sleepers to Bridgewater] and join up with the SG MBRP at Inglewood, because this will eventually become SG as bevans suggests.
At Inglewood, a triangle would be a better option than a loop, connecting directly to the Dunolly/Maryborough line.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I do believe this line is going to be needed for the MBRP sooner than later.
Agree! If this ever gets up, it needs to be rebuild in DG to Marong, then on in SG, [perhaps at a stretch with DG sleepers to Bridgewater] and join up with the SG MBRP at Inglewood, because this will eventually become SG as bevans suggests.
At Inglewood, a triangle would be a better option than a loop, connecting directly to the Dunolly/Maryborough line.
Inland_Sailor
NO! There is no need for a dead end SG line Running into Bendigo, I doubt it would get much, if any use at all. Along with that there is sadly no need to reopen it as BG Either due to the Bendigo line having very few, if any daylight paths for freight.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

I do believe this line is going to be needed for the MBRP sooner than later.
Agree! If this ever gets up, it needs to be rebuild in DG to Marong, then on in SG, [perhaps at a stretch with DG sleepers to Bridgewater] and join up with the SG MBRP at Inglewood, because this will eventually become SG as bevans suggests.
At Inglewood, a triangle would be a better option than a loop, connecting directly to the Dunolly/Maryborough line.
NO! There is no need for a dead end SG line Running into Bendigo, I doubt it would get much, if any use at all. Along with that there is sadly no need to reopen it as BG Either due to the Bendigo line having very few, if any daylight paths for freight.
Dangersdan707
DD, As if on cue, I thought you might react to this suggestion. As discussed previously, the greatly fantasised Bendigo, Ballarat, Geelong passenger service could only ever occur via this route.
I guess time will tell eventually as to what happens here!!!
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I do believe this line is going to be needed for the MBRP sooner than later.
Agree! If this ever gets up, it needs to be rebuild in DG to Marong, then on in SG, [perhaps at a stretch with DG sleepers to Bridgewater] and join up with the SG MBRP at Inglewood, because this will eventually become SG as bevans suggests.
At Inglewood, a triangle would be a better option than a loop, connecting directly to the Dunolly/Maryborough line.
NO! There is no need for a dead end SG line Running into Bendigo, I doubt it would get much, if any use at all. Along with that there is sadly no need to reopen it as BG Either due to the Bendigo line having very few, if any daylight paths for freight.
DD, As if on cue, I thought you might react to this suggestion. As discussed previously, the greatly fantasised Bendigo, Ballarat, Geelong passenger service could only ever occur via this route.
I guess time will tell eventually as to what happens here!!!
Inland_Sailor




  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
It should be mentioned that pathing of freight trains via Bendigo is very difficult in daytime hours.  But between 21:30 and 3:30 for Up trains, and 00:00 - 5:00 for Down trains it's manageable.  This is where V/line may be resistant to the line's reopening.

Another few things:
- it adds a path for Swan Hill and Echuca freight (and SSR workshop) if the Bendigo line is booked out for maintenance, although a loop would need reinstating at Inglewood for this unless a push-pull loco arrangement occurs.
- there is a new grain forwarder at Bridgewater that could use it, along with the containerized export hay facility nearby.
- And as an incidental benefit: some great possibilities for heritage tours in the region, especially with VGR running mainline daytrips out of Castlemaine.

Hopefully the Greater Bendigo Council support it.  I know several of the councillors would.
Carnot
SSR probably woulf like an easy route into Bendigo on either standard or broad gauge. Not to mention Passenger trains to Marong and maybe even Inglewood which has already been discussed.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I do believe this line is going to be needed for the MBRP sooner than later.
Agree! If this ever gets up, it needs to be rebuild in DG to Marong, then on in SG, [perhaps at a stretch with DG sleepers to Bridgewater] and join up with the SG MBRP at Inglewood, because this will eventually become SG as bevans suggests.
At Inglewood, a triangle would be a better option than a loop, connecting directly to the Dunolly/Maryborough line.
NO! There is no need for a dead end SG line Running into Bendigo, I doubt it would get much, if any use at all. Along with that there is sadly no need to reopen it as BG Either due to the Bendigo line having very few, if any daylight paths for freight.
DD, As if on cue, I thought you might react to this suggestion. As discussed previously, the greatly fantasised Bendigo, Ballarat, Geelong passenger service could only ever occur via this route.
I guess time will tell eventually as to what happens here!!!




Dangersdan707

Looks more like a quiche to me...

M.
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
I do believe this line is going to be needed for the MBRP sooner than later.
Agree! If this ever gets up, it needs to be rebuild in DG to Marong, then on in SG, [perhaps at a stretch with DG sleepers to Bridgewater] and join up with the SG MBRP at Inglewood, because this will eventually become SG as bevans suggests.
At Inglewood, a triangle would be a better option than a loop, connecting directly to the Dunolly/Maryborough line.
NO! There is no need for a dead end SG line Running into Bendigo, I doubt it would get much, if any use at all. Along with that there is sadly no need to reopen it as BG Either due to the Bendigo line having very few, if any daylight paths for freight.
DD, As if on cue, I thought you might react to this suggestion. As discussed previously, the greatly fantasised Bendigo, Ballarat, Geelong passenger service could only ever occur via this route.
I guess time will tell eventually as to what happens here!!!





Looks more like a quiche to me...

M.
The Vinelander
I don't think the pie is straight.  I'd work out how many degrees off level it is, but this thread doen't involve Piangil...
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

ABARE has revised upward further still their predictions for the Victorian Grain Harvest on both wheat and canola, and downwards on barley.  Better get that Inglewood  Eaglehawk line re-opened fast or the rail network will be crippled especially in the Dunolly - Maryborough bottlekneck . As is you can only run one grain train a day on each of the Mnangatang and Sea Lake lines, re-open Eaglehawk - Inglewood and by running trains overnight you can at least double capacity over those two broad gauge lines. Plus frees up capacity on the Mildura sg line by running some bg via Bendigo. Otherwise it has to go by B doubles not a good outcome when an immedaite rail alternative is available at around $ 25m according to media reports in Weekly Crimes & Stock and Land.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
ABARE has revised upward further still their predictions for the Victorian Grain Harvest on both wheat and canola, and downwards on barley.  Better get that Inglewood  Eaglehawk line re-opened fast or the rail network will be crippled especially in the Dunolly - Maryborough bottlekneck . As is you can only run one grain train a day on each of the Mnangatang and Sea Lake lines, re-open Eaglehawk - Inglewood and by running trains overnight you can at least double capacity over those two broad gauge lines. Plus frees up capacity on the Mildura sg line by running some bg via Bendigo. Otherwise it has to go by B doubles not a good outcome when an immedaite rail alternative is available at around $ 25m according to media reports in Weekly Crimes & Stock and Land.
"kuldalai"

So you think 6 × 40car trains per day full of grain is a great thing, maybe so, but where do you think that they can be unloaded every day, 7 days a week for months ???
Isn't that what silos are for, storage to even out the distribution.

cheers
John
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
ABARE has revised upward further still their predictions for the Victorian Grain Harvest on both wheat and canola, and downwards on barley.  Better get that Inglewood  Eaglehawk line re-opened fast or the rail network will be crippled especially in the Dunolly - Maryborough bottlekneck . As is you can only run one grain train a day on each of the Mnangatang and Sea Lake lines, re-open Eaglehawk - Inglewood and by running trains overnight you can at least double capacity over those two broad gauge lines.
kuldalai

This is a very sensible approach to the problem.  There is NO DOWNSIDE to the reopening of this track.  There must be paths available between Kyneton and Bendigo for freight.  It is unlikely v/line will ever reach the passenger numbers they had before covid 19 for some time yet which may also provide further paths.

Do PN crew out of Bendigo?  I am sure SSR do making it a good option for them.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
ABARE has revised upward further still their predictions for the Victorian Grain Harvest on both wheat and canola, and downwards on barley.  Better get that Inglewood  Eaglehawk line re-opened fast or the rail network will be crippled especially in the Dunolly - Maryborough bottlekneck . As is you can only run one grain train a day on each of the Mnangatang and Sea Lake lines, re-open Eaglehawk - Inglewood and by running trains overnight you can at least double capacity over those two broad gauge lines. Plus frees up capacity on the Mildura sg line by running some bg via Bendigo. Otherwise it has to go by B doubles not a good outcome when an immedaite rail alternative is available at around $ 25m according to media reports in Weekly Crimes & Stock and Land.
kuldalai
Good info as usual kuldalai, I reckon this is developing into an interesting situation, when it was first mentioned I thought here we go with another cock & bull story but then it would ease the pressure of capacity through the Dunolly -  M'borough, how ever it seemed like a lot of money to spend re-opening the line just in case it's needed.

But the way things are shaping up it seems it is more likely to be a necessity, when your down to running single trains with very limited paths, Carnot has the info on paths from Bendigo back a few posts.

Was also wondering if it was re-opened and was running quite well on the current broadgauge, I would hope the Govt doesn't think oh well that's working fine, no need to go to standard gauge.

There's some rain expected over the weekend as well, keeping things nice and damp, we'll wait and see what develops.

BigShunter.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
ABARE has revised upward further still their predictions for the Victorian Grain Harvest on both wheat and canola, and downwards on barley.  Better get that Inglewood  Eaglehawk line re-opened fast or the rail network will be crippled especially in the Dunolly - Maryborough bottlekneck . As is you can only run one grain train a day on each of the Mnangatang and Sea Lake lines, re-open Eaglehawk - Inglewood and by running trains overnight you can at least double capacity over those two broad gauge lines. Plus frees up capacity on the Mildura sg line by running some bg via Bendigo. Otherwise it has to go by B doubles not a good outcome when an immedaite rail alternative is available at around $ 25m according to media reports in Weekly Crimes & Stock and Land.
kuldalai
Whist it would be great if the Inglewood-Eaglehawk line were to be reopened, wouldn't similar benefits be achieved through the provision of a BG passing loop somewhere between Dunolly and Ballarat, like say a recommissioned Tourello Loop or additional DG tracks at Dunolly or Maryborough?

Ross
  Carnot Minister for Railways

V/Line would only install a loop with full (and expensive) signalling south of Maryborough since it's a passenger line. Dual gauge turnouts are generally very expensive, so a loop with trailable points at say Llanelly would be a better option. Still very constrained capacity and no redundancy if there's track work or other disruptions between Inglewood and Geelong.

Bendigo yard also has 4 sidings with 40 wagon capacity in each for stabling, although one of those is likely to disappear for the new biowash facility.  None of that stabling capacity exists elsewhere for NW BG lines (except Nth Geelong or Totty really).
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
My two cents worth:

If any freight is going to be placed on the Bendigo line it would need to either be out of passenger hours or after the track north of Kyneton is duplicated. Even then it would still need to be outside of peak hours as there would likely be difficulty finding paths south of Watergardens.

In terms of providing SG into Bendigo it is definitely useless as a stub, however if the line to Melbourne were converted to SG, duplicated as above and quadded south of Sunbury (I know I'm dreaming), it could prove to be a very useful route for freight coming from the north west, avoiding the need to go via Ararat and Geelong.
  x42 Junior Train Controller

Location: NSW
Eaglehawk to Inglewood is the MBRP get out of Gaol for free card - Almost....

Take the politics and bureaucrats away from this and a bit of common sense ( Rail Industry People with valuable knowledge ) in their place and you will solve the Murray Basin Rail Project colossal stuff up and keep the grain handlers and rail operators happy and actually get Grain and freight quicker to port.

You might even be able to shoot a pass out to marong and afar in the process.

Common sense would also suggest that Bendigo can stage a couple of freight trains, provide  some locos with some fuel at the fuel point. Even a locomotive maintenance facility exists.

Bendigo via echuca / Toolamba even provides a cross country freight path also.

Surely this is a no brainer and money well spent.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
V/Line would only install a loop with full (and expensive) signalling south of Maryborough since it's a passenger line.
Carnot
Being a passenger line is irrelevant, any new loop between Ballarat North and Maryborough would have to be fully signaled in accordance with the ATC safeworking system.

Bendigo yard also has 4 sidings with 40 wagon capacity in each for stabling, although one of those is likely to disappear for the new biowash facility
Carnot
At least 5rd will be taken up with the biowash and V/Line also has 2rd for stabling. Can't recall if there is a requirement to have an additional road free or not as well.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

ABARE has just revised their grain forecast harvest for Victoria to even higher for wheat and canola, that their previous forecasts made in 02/20.

One can only run one train a day on each of the Sea Lake & Manangatang lines with the current half completed Murray Basin project. The Ultima intermodal train currently runs three days a week and with traffic building nicely will shortly move to 4 a week.
The bottleknecks are currently 169 km section from Korong Vale to Warrenheip is single line section for broad gauge trains with no opportunity for broad gauge trains to cross. The single line 22km dual gauge bottlekenck through which all trains North of Maryborough MUST now pass between Dunolly and Maryborough. South of Maryborough a 109 km single section  to Maroona with no crossing loop for standard gauge trains.

The projected above average grain harvest based on ABARES forecast is equivalent to 9 x 40 wagon wheat trains running each day x 365 days a year.

Now come back to the Manangatang and Sea Lake bg lines, by re-opening Inglewood - Eaglehawk one can run two trains plus per day on each line, plus offer the Ultima  Intermodal train a much shorter and faster overnight route to/from  Melbourne. Additionally by having two broad gauge routes South that would free up some paths South of Dunolly allowing extra sg trains North of Dunolly.

With Bendigo off peak services hourly if graines follow passes there should be a couple of daytime paths. BUT most trains via Bendigo one would run late evening or overnight using ample spare capacity on the Bendigo - Melbourne mainline.

Alternatively one does nothing and for at least the next few years then a larger portion of the grain harvest is going to be forced onto road. Roughly every extra train that cannot be run results in 60 extra road trucks taking grain all the way South to the ports.

Given the short 40 km distance involved in re-opening Inglewood - Eaglehawk one only needs a 40kmh operating speed, and the rail is actually 47kg in long welded lengths so quite suitable for 19tonne axle loads at least .

Also there are three export container traffics out of Bridgewater that could potentially use rail if the line were re-activated. Extension of Eaglehawk passenger services to Marong would potentially be a medium term thing requiring a further track upgrade to realize a Vlocity speed of at least 80kmh and improved level crossing protection.  

Dimboola - Rainbow was recently resucitated in 4 weeks for similar raesons, so dont dismiss this proposal as out of bounds , as based on that example probably 6 - 8 weeks of restoration should be able to see this section re-opened as suitable for 40kmh with 19 tonne axle loads.

Finally with bumper grain harvests one clears out the regional silos then when the ahrvest actually starts early November you move as much as you can to the ports first up, and progressively the grain harvested cannot be cleared at a rate that keeps up so the garin is then stored in regional silos, or flat grain sites and covered. Then progressively through the following months the garin in those regional storages is cleared to the ports for export.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Bendigo yard also has 4 sidings with 40 wagon capacity in each for stabling, although one of those is likely to disappear for the new biowash facility.  None of that stabling capacity exists elsewhere for NW BG lines (except Nth Geelong or Totty really).
Carnot

Interesting as the new bio wash facility is west of the yard and would only need a lead?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Whist it would be great if the Inglewood-Eaglehawk line were to be reopened, wouldn't similar benefits be achieved through the provision of a BG passing loop somewhere between Dunolly and Ballarat, like say a recommissioned Tourello Loop or additional DG tracks at Dunolly or Maryborough?

Ross
Rossco T

Agree Rossco, it appears in the days of old, there was a loop at Sulky, Tourello as well as Talbot. If they did recommission the Tourello loop and extend it out to 1500mtr's or so, as to cater for the Fruity, which regularly runs with all but 60 wagons ( unsure how long that would make the consist ) if and when it goes to standard gauge.

S'pose it's worth asking, is there enough paths to run all broad gauge trains via Bendigo ?

And kuldalai has had his blackboard hard at work, number crunching, how many broad gauge grain consist are there on hand, sounds like 3, probably 4 may be required and then is there the motive power available to drag these trains around.

BigShunter.

this is sounding like DangerousDan007 is going to be in absolute heaven...
  Carnot Minister for Railways


S'pose it's worth asking, is there enough paths to run all broad gauge trains via Bendigo ?

And kuldalai has had his blackboard hard at work, number crunching, how many broad gauge grain consist are there on hand, sounds like 3, probably 4 may be required and then is there the motive power available to drag these trains around.
BigShunter
It could be a struggle.  Especially if it has to share paths with Piangil and Deniliquin freight trains as well in the middle of the night.  Split it between Bendigo and Maryborough for flexibility.

PN has I believe 4 BG 40 wagon grain rakes mothballed, and Qube has 1.  That said, Qube is a bit short of motive power right now on BG.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out

S'pose it's worth asking, is there enough paths to run all broad gauge trains via Bendigo ?

And kuldalai has had his blackboard hard at work, number crunching, how many broad gauge grain consist are there on hand, sounds like 3, probably 4 may be required and then is there the motive power available to drag these trains around.It could be a struggle.  Especially if it has to share paths with Piangil and Deniliquin freight trains as well in the middle of the night.  Split it between Bendigo and Maryborough for flexibility.

PN has I believe 4 BG 40 wagon grain rakes mothballed, and Qube has 1.  That said, Qube is a bit short of motive power right now on BG.
Carnot
That would require the Deni to actually run for this to be a problem Razz
  Carnot Minister for Railways


S'pose it's worth asking, is there enough paths to run all broad gauge trains via Bendigo ?

And kuldalai has had his blackboard hard at work, number crunching, how many broad gauge grain consist are there on hand, sounds like 3, probably 4 may be required and then is there the motive power available to drag these trains around.It could be a struggle.  Especially if it has to share paths with Piangil and Deniliquin freight trains as well in the middle of the night.  Split it between Bendigo and Maryborough for flexibility.

PN has I believe 4 BG 40 wagon grain rakes mothballed, and Qube has 1.  That said, Qube is a bit short of motive power right now on BG.That would require the Deni to actually run for this to be a problem Razz
speedemon08
Both grain and rice next year.  It looks likely a decent rice crop will be planted this October.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

In terms of providing SG into Bendigo, it is definitely useless as a stub.
railblogger
This point is debatable!
With the demand for rolling stock and locomotive power, plenty of grain and rice and with the completion of the Murray Basin conversion, including Maryborough/Ballarat/Geelong section, this link and the Swan Hill/Piangil line added in as well to SG makes the "stub" a practical and usable concept!
The Bendigo - Swan Hill passenger train can run SG from Bendigo, as Bendigo has the capacity to service SG trains.
So SG Inglewood to Morong, DG to Eaglehawk/Bendigo, then SG to Piangil. This is the only way to future proof the outlay into this infrastructure upgrade!

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