Benalla freight

 
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Another potential Rail customer located at  36°32'12.85"S 146° 0'24.65"E who could be connected?

The siding is damn long.
bevans
I believe that is a building frame and truss making establishment, the traffic out of it is not very high. I have been down there a few times, the place never seems to be very busy. The road (Lowens lane) is just gravel and is in good condition this indicates quite low level of traffic.

woodford

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Another potential Rail customer located at  36°32'12.85"S 146° 0'24.65"E who could be connected?

The siding is damn long.
I believe that is a building frame and truss making establishment, the traffic out of it is not very high. I have been down there a few times, the place never seems to be very busy. The road (Lowens lane) is just gravel and is in good condition this indicates quite low level of traffic.

woodford
woodford

Thanks Woodford but we should always consider inbound materials.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Another potential Rail customer located at  36°32'12.85"S 146° 0'24.65"E who could be connected?

The siding is damn long.
I believe that is a building frame and truss making establishment, the traffic out of it is not very high. I have been down there a few times, the place never seems to be very busy. The road (Lowens lane) is just gravel and is in good condition this indicates quite low level of traffic.

woodford

Thanks Woodford but we should always consider inbound materials.
bevans
You sound like a modeller.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
A bit of trawling has turned this diagram up. What their source is could be anybody's guess. It does seem a sensible result though.

http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/VP224l.pdf
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Does indeed seem to make sense.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Government press releases have repeatedly emphasised a 700m loop, so it'll be very disappointing if the clear length is only 500m as the diagram suggests.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Government press releases have repeatedly emphasised a 700m loop, so it'll be very disappointing if the clear length is only 500m as the diagram suggests.
potatoinmymouth
Why?

Surely if they are spending all that $$$ they would have built the siding to their requirements. No more, no less.

Government gilding the lily perhaps?

BG
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Government press releases have repeatedly emphasised a 700m loop, so it'll be very disappointing if the clear length is only 500m as the diagram suggests.
potatoinmymouth
As politicians they probably measured 1 road from the fouling point/fence/front gate to the dead end to get 700 metres.
It is a wonder that they haven't claimed a '1000 metre siding' by combining 1 and 2 roads!! ............Twisted Evil
  woodford Chief Commissioner

A woodford opinion, you have been warned!

A couple of points, before we start setting up firing squads Wink.

We will not know the loop length until its actually built.

The sleeper train used on the NE reguage was only 18 cars long, help 1500 tons and that would easily fit into a 500 metre loop.

The plant can only do 1 batch a day, its very unlikely that a batch would greatly exceed 1500tons, so its VERY likely that a 500metre long train could easily handle the plants daily output, and theres little point in building anything that will never be used.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Another woodford opinion................

On incoming materials, the plant will require something like 800 tons of gravel a day such a large quantity will need to be supplied from at least a dozen different quarries each supplying, between 50 and 70 tons (2 or 3 truck loads) a day. Such a wide spread range of sources can really only be handled by road.

woodford
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Another woodford opinion................

On incoming materials, the plant will require something like 800 tons of gravel a day such a large quantity will need to be supplied from at least a dozen different quarries each supplying, between 50 and 70 tons (2 or 3 truck loads) a day. Such a wide spread range of sources can really only be handled by road.

woodford
woodford

800 tonnes per day is good for rail and is likely to match the Hansen loading.  I am not sure 800 tonnes is 3 trucks at all.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Another woodford opinion................

On incoming materials, the plant will require something like 800 tons of gravel a day such a large quantity will need to be supplied from at least a dozen different quarries each supplying, between 50 and 70 tons (2 or 3 truck loads) a day. Such a wide spread range of sources can really only be handled by road.

woodford

800 tonnes per day is good for rail and is likely to match the Hansen loading.  I am not sure 800 tonnes is 3 trucks at all.
x31
You have misread @woodfords post, it is 3 trucks per quarry. "at least a dozen quarries each supplying......."

So 12 x 70 = 840 tons but not all coming from the same place so rail would be useless if this it the way they are going to source their gravel.

BG
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Ah I see, but if the gravel could come from 1 quarry then we are good to go for rail?

So what quarries are rail connected?

This is exactly the type of traffic which should be on rail.
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
The Glenrowan quarry would have been convenient...
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Ah I see, but if the gravel could come from 1 quarry then we are good to go for rail?

So what quarries are rail connected?

This is exactly the type of traffic which should be on rail.
x31
The problem is the crushers used in quarries can only crush around 100 tons of material per day, so large quantities need to come from multiple sources, and there are very few quarries in Victoria and southern NSW that have rail connections.

woodford
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Ballast for the siding had been delivered and was being put in place when I went past yesterday.
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Lots of progress at Benalla since I last went past. The two roads are in with points at each end and a short shunt neck to run locos around. Looks like there's still a bit of ballasting work to do and there's no sign of the hardware for a mainline connection yet. There's signalling work underway on the mainline in preparation though. The usuable length of the siding looks to be closer to 500 metres than 700 but I didn't think to measure it until it was too late. I'll try to remember to put the counter on on the way past in the morning.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for the updates @Fatty much appreciated.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
A little confused is the siding on the eastern or western side of the main ?
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
A little confused is the siding on the eastern or western side of the main ?
freightgate
Western.
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thanks for the updates @Fatty much appreciated.
bevans
No worries.

I roughly measured the length of the siding today as we went past and it is about 500 metres between my estimation of the clearance points. The mainline points have appeared and are being prepared for installation. Lots of work on the signalling happening too. Elsewhere in the yard there's heaps of work going on with the major feature being two gantry cranes that have appeared since my last visit.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Looks like the Mainline Turnout is going in between 16-18 December.

https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/1319-2018.PDF?1976043442
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Source in South Aus claims that they are going to do  some works for "QUBE yard development", adjacent to 4 road and Oaklands branch line over next week or so. Works to include a hard stand area.

Anyone know more?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Source in South Aus claims that they are going to do  some works for "QUBE yard development", adjacent to 4 road and Oaklands branch line over next week or so. Works to include a hard stand area.

Anyone know more?
hbedriver

Sounds exciting and the way described is an intermodal lifting hard stand.  Is Qube setting up an intermodal terminal at Benalla (which is not a bad idea) or is the work purely for the cement traffic?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Have to wonder what they are up to then, as I can't imagine traffic of any volume originating from Benalla.

As to 'cement', I gather that refers to the Tunnel Segment works about 3km North - that has its own siding being built as already noted and apart from the Mainline crossovers at Benalla, I can't imagine Benalla Yard featuring in that at all.

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