With the recent knifings of sitting PM's the only one who has departed with a shed of decency and integrity intact was, Julia.

Duck for cover.

Indeed, Rudd and Gillard both left politics and didn't snipe (much) after they left. The LNP appear incapable of doing the same.

I really think Tony Abbott still doesn't get that he's very unpopular with the public - and now also unpopular with his own electorate and party. There's no chance that Tones will ever be in a position of authority within the Liberal Party ever again, the damage that he to his own party is a lasting legacy. Mind you, that childish Malcolm Turnbull is turning out to be even worse...

How the hell you can call MT childish is beyond me. I know who the childish ones are and they are the ones that deposed MT for no electoral gain.

Malcolm, is that you?


Seriously though, if you can't see that Turnbull is deliberately setting out to wreck the Libs then you must be the modern incarnation of Blind Freddy. Knifing Turnbull wasn't a great idea but doesn't it strike you as extremely coincidental that all of this drama about Dutton came out almost immediately after Turnbull got dumped, almost as if he and his backers knew of it beforehand but didn't say anything in order to protect their one-seat majority but now that he's out are able to spill all in a bid for revenge on the man who toppled the final straw for Turnbull's Prime Ministership? Do you really think someone stumbled across this only after Turnbull left parliament and thought it'd be a good idea to let the media get a whiff?

Every leak from the Liberals since Malcontent was dumped as opposition leader many years ago has come from Mal's office.   He has been bending over backwards to do his best to destroy the party that dumped him.
They will be decimated at the next election and Mal will be pleased.

How the hell you can call MT childish is beyond me.

Personally I don't what you yourself would call "if I can't be Prime Minister then nobody from the LNP can" but I call it childish. Why doesn't Malcolm just take his extraordinary wealth and just get on with the rest of his life? Instead he starts wreaking from his Manhattan apartment from the other side of the world. What a champ.

They will be decimated at the next election and Mal will be pleased.

Sadly this is exactly how he seems to be thinking - didn't do a damn thing for almost three years and now he's trying to destroy the LNP upon leaving. As I said, what a magnificent leader he turned out to be; a real Bob Menzies.

Knifing Turnbull wasn't a great idea but doesn't it strike you as extremely coincidental that all of this drama about Dutton came out almost immediately after Turnbull got dumped, almost as if he and his backers knew of it beforehand but didn't say anything in order to protect their one-seat majority but now that he's out are able to spill all in a bid for revenge on the man who toppled the final straw for Turnbull's Prime Ministership?

I'm no fan of Dutton but at least his election would have put a full-stop on things and given the conservative LNP folks a clean run up to the election. Instead Morrision was the least worst alternative for the wets and that's why we're stuck with pearls of wisdom from him (ugh)...

“I’ve never bought this idea that the permanent immigration intake is the thing fuelling population growth. Because it’s not borne out in the actual maths,” Mr Morrison said.

“When it comes to population growth at the moment, there are 10 extra people that have got on the bus. Just over four of them are temporary migrants. Just under four of them were born here, a natural increase. And only two of them are permanent migrants.”

But riddle me this ScoMo - how many of those "temporary" migrants become permanent residents?

Dont forget that MT has supporters, who may be royally pi$$ed that he was rolled and want to make sure that ScoMo/Dutton et al dont get an easy run.

Some in the liberal party are also of the mindset that they need to lose the next election in a big way to send some messages to some people that theyre on the wrong track.

Some in the liberal party are also of the mindset that they need to lose the next election in a big way to send some messages to some people that theyre on the wrong track.

But the thing that's giving me a migraine is the fact that this problem truly transcends that conundrum: This is our management team as a nation and it's been really stricken with petty egotistic people looking to make connections and build empires of their own, undermining decision-making processes in Parliament against the very people who have elected them. Longer term strategic decision-making? Nup. Thinking ahead for the Aussie people? No, not really, except to say that it seems unilateral that we're going to have Sydney and Melbourne as "global cities" of 8 million plus by later this century... everyone else is camping out as Paul Keating once quipped. Neither the LNP nor the Greens/Labor alliance will change that setting.

But yeah for me the descent of our once-great nation is epitomised in the gas/electricity crisis - and it is a crisis when you have the world's most expensive utilities with the world's most abundant resources. We're being robbed as a nation every single day this goes on without real resolution and in the meantime Asian clients still get gas way cheaper than Aussie domestic customers well into next decade; those margins are already booked in. It's indicative that we've become like South Africa or Brazil where the majority are going to fall into horrible poverty because our whole nation has been robbed by global plutocrats - it's a genuine crisis where our own citizens can't assert sovereignty over their own resources - but instead what's happening?

Nothing, we're all consumed by the game of "who gets the big chair". Terrible, it's the Australian people who are the losers, we're surrendering everything we can to whoever buys our MP's out - this can't end well for us as a formerly egalitarian and relatively fair nation.

Oh boy.. this s%$it just got real here....- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/ann-sudmalis-names-nsw-mp-in-blistering-speech-to-parliament/ar-BBNrP1S?ocid=spartanntp - so just how many other skeleton's are there in the LNP closet??!! * Edit, she is alleging that only the state LNP is to blame here, but I have a funny feeling that she may have only just scratched the surface on this one!, it would be federal as well!

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We'll that's dropped a nuke into the NSW Lib party machine....  

ScoMo is going to have fun dealing with those muppets who undermined Ann Sudmalis.

At least she has the guts to name names, even if it was under parliamentary privilege.

The Illawarra region surely outdoes itself in producing problematic politicians....

At least she has the guts to name names, even if it was under parliamentary privilege.

Using PP is gutless not heroic. Just gives people an opportunity to impugn another's character with no repercussions.

The challenge has been laid down to her

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/ward-denies-sudmalis-accusations-of-bullying-and-branchstacking/10260866

One thing is for sure, this Government can't get any more traction than the last one and is going to get annihilated at the next poll if they keep going like this.

BG

At least she has the guts to name names, even if it was under parliamentary privilege.

Using PP is gutless not heroic. Just gives people an opportunity to impugn another's character with no repercussions.

Lucy Gichuhi, Julia Banks and Julie Bishop were given an opportunity to 'out' the people that had bullied them but refused to name them. So they had a good whinge about being bullied but then wouldn't specify what form the bullying took or who did it. Sudmalis at least named who was bullying her and what form the bullying took.

ScoMo is going to have fun dealing with those muppets who undermined Ann Sudmalis.

ScoMo won't do a single thing about the bullying allegations in the NSW Liberals because Gareth Ward is a factional ally of Gladys Berejiklian and he doesn't want to put anyone off-side.

There was a time when the Labor Party were the experts at factional assassinations but it appears that the Liberals are becoming experts all on their own...

Morrison is quoted on Nine today as "100 percent certain that the Liberals don't have a bullying problem." Someone is having us on.

Timely reminder to keep your comments CLEAN and not offensive please.
Otherwise the imploding act may be yours to experiance.


(1st gentle warning all)

I'm very surprised that Morrison came out and said today, that he is "100% sure that there is no bullying in the Liberal party", he might want to tell that to some of his colleagues.

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What - someone said something offensive and I missed it?

Incidentally looks like the Banking Royal Commission has finally claimed an ASIC scalp with Deputy Chair Peter Kell resigning for unspecified reasons as announced by Treasurer Josh Frydenburg this afternoon. Really the entire ASIC organisation needs to be replaced, if there's one thing the Royal Commission has proven its that ASIC is hopelessly compromised and ineffective.

The ABC ran this story tonight, it seems like Rupert Murdoch wanted Turnbull gone, while Kerry Stokes (boss of CH7), wanted him to stay. - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/liberal-leadership-spill-rupert-murdoch-kerry-stokes-influence/10262552

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I was going to post this but you beat me to it... you have to wonder what the frig is going through Rupert Murdoch's head. He wants Turnbull gone - for what purpose? Who did he think he was helping by getting Turnbull "gone" - certainly not the Aussie people nor even the business community. As Kerry Stokes observed, it's just playing right into the hands of the ALP although Rupert doesn't care because he can still make money.

Hmmm...

The Labor Party passes the Trans-Pacific Partnership (version 11) through the lower house, surely a black day for the party that used to represent the interests of the working class in this country. At least some MP's had the honesty to speak out about the further crushing of living standards for the Aussie working class (via the Herald-Sun):

"This will cause problems for the working class in Queensland and Western Sydney" - Shadow Minister for Vocational Skills Doug Cameron.

"The workers are being done over. I'm not sure how we sell that message" - MP Cathy O'Toole.

Former ACTU president Ged Kearney, the Member for Batman in Victoria, dismissed the TPP’s provisions to protect workers as “weak and aspirational at best”.

At least there's some Labor Party MP's who have a consciousness that what they're doing is making things even harder for the people they're supposed to be representing (remember them?).

Who did he think he was helping by getting Turnbull "gone" - certainly not the Aussie people nor even the business community. As Kerry Stokes observed, it's just playing right into the hands of the ALP .Hmmm...

And that’s your real issue. If only you let him know how much you "hate" that communist Labor Party he may have backed off.

These two (amongst some others) play the Libs like their own Game of Thrones. There’s a reason these media hacks are so invested in that side of politics and it has nothing to do with the interests of the great unwashed.

The Labor Party passes the Trans-Pacific Partnership (version 11) through the lower house, surely a black day for the party that used to represent the interests of the working class in this country. ...At least there's some Labor Party MP's who have a consciousness that what they're doing is making things even harder for the people they're supposed to be representing (remember them?).

Again your beef has little to do with the working class.

One would expect a 'mature' ALP government to represent the interests of all Australians, not just the "communist" unions. This country relies on trade and these sort of complex agreements shouldn't be assessed on any one element. To do so is yet again simplistic and naïve.

For the most part political decisions involve juggling a number of competing priorities. TPP is no different.

Again your beef has little to do with the working class.

One would expect a 'mature' ALP government to represent the interests of all Australians, not just the "communist" unions. This country relies on trade and these sort of complex agreements shouldn't be assessed on any one element. To do so is yet again simplistic and naïve.

For the most part political decisions involve juggling a number of competing priorities. TPP is no different.

If Shorten was interested in the welfare of the people they purport to represent then he would have asked for independent analysis of the bill before signing it. I just quoted Labor MP's who also agree with me that it's yet another attack on the conditions and wages of Australian employees and you don't believe it - why is that?

And that’s your real issue. If only you let him know how much you "hate" that communist Labor Party he may have backed off.

Nup, you reckon you've got me all figured out but you're completely wrong. I don't give a damn if Shorten is running this country - my concern is for the people who are the victims of this petty power play. US.

One would expect a 'mature' ALP government to represent the interests of all Australians, not just the "communist" unions. This country relies on trade and these sort of complex agreements shouldn't be assessed on any one element. To do so is yet again simplistic and naïve.

For the most part political decisions involve juggling a number of competing priorities. TPP is no different.

Every single analysis that I've seen on the FTA's says that we've been the loser from them every time; how can you defend such a flawed policy with a straight face. There's been a plethora of evidence that these preferential trade relationships are bad for us even though the government won't allow any official independent analysis: And they're not "free trade" at all, they're about preferential trade relationships between signatories, not "free trade" at all. The primary reason they are not good for our economy is because they're struck for political reasons to benefit select industries - explored more here. The only time the Productivity Commission was actually allowed to look at "free trade" agreements it found that the gains were only to a very small number of businesses but that the nation as a whole loses:

Australia’s foray into preferential trade deals was examined in the Productivity Commission’s Bilateral and Regional Trade Agreements report in 2010. Although it did not analyse AUSFTA becuse insufficient data existed at the time, it was critical of preferential deals more generally and, along with the overwhelming majority of research analysis, found very little evidence of significant gains from the deals beyond benefits to a few privileged sectors.

Those Labor MP's who spoke out about it will be whacked right back into line by the Labor machine - the leadership is eyeing off victory and they want the main beneficiaries of the TPP on their side - who cares about the generous labour concessions to multinationals. There's nothing good about joining the TPP, it will only exacerbate existing problems with labour over-supply and lop-sided benefits to a few large businesses while the rest of us suffer.

The ABC ran this story tonight, it seems like Rupert Murdoch wanted Turnbull gone, while Kerry Stokes (boss of CH7), wanted him to stay. - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/liberal-leadership-spill-rupert-murdoch-kerry-stokes-influence/10262552

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America goes into meltdown when there's a suggestion of Russian interference in their domestic politics.

But not a whisper when an American citizen tries to interfere in Australian democracy?

Can we expect AFP to investigate anytime soon