Suburban Rail Loop (Election promise)

 
  Maximas Station Master

Location: Geelong
Well there goes that 10 billion

Sponsored advertisement

  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Well there goes that 10 billion
Maximas
Yeah, no mid-term MM2 announcement.

Money locked up for the stupid East-West Link.

Very unfortunate for Victorian Transport Infrastructure.

Oh yeah, 2 billion for high-speed rail to Geelong, what a joke. Like that was to happen.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Terrible result for Victoria. Thanks very much Queensland and WA. Can't wait to see you get a disproportionate amount of the coalition's money.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Well there goes that 10 billion

Oh yeah, 2 billion for high-speed rail to Geelong, what a joke. Like that was to happen.
True Believers

Time will tell if ScoMo is true to his word regards the $2 Billion for the Geelong line., regardless of whether we think it's worthwhile or not.

IMO if he doesn't cough up the funds within the next three years, regardless of the Libs very shaky hold on Corangamite, it will be a broken election promise and he may face the wrath of the state government and the electorate at that time.

Mike.
  GoldenGirl Station Master

Well there goes that 10 billion

Oh yeah, 2 billion for high-speed rail to Geelong, what a joke. Like that was to happen.

Time will tell if ScoMo is true to his word regards the $2 Billion for the Geelong line., regardless of whether we think it's worthwhile or not.

IMO if he doesn't cough up the funds within the next three years, regardless of the Libs very shaky hold on Corangamite, it will be a broken election promise and he may face the wrath of the state government and the electorate at that time.

Mike.
The Vinelander
" and he may face the wrath of the state government "

which he has been doing ever since he took over the PM's role, thanks to that miserable SOB Andrews.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

that miserable SOB Andrews.
GoldenGirl

Doesn't matter what you think of him or his politics, he's got a bigger mandate to govern than Scott Morrison ever will.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
that miserable SOB Andrews.

Doesn't matter what you think of him or his politics, he's got a bigger mandate to govern than Scott Morrison ever will.
potatoinmymouth

Moreover...if Dan is a SOB, what does that make the former Baillieu/Napthine Premiers that did very little for PT in Victoria Question

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well there goes that 10 billion
Yeah, no mid-term MM2 announcement.

Money locked up for the stupid East-West Link.

Very unfortunate for Victorian Transport Infrastructure.

Oh yeah, 2 billion for high-speed rail to Geelong, what a joke. Like that was to happen.
True Believers

This is a good summary,  I would add no freight work as mentioned by James.AU which project was this?

East West Link they will use this to put pressure on DAN but really I want to see this go to MM2?

Geelong High Speed Rail is gone and will be reduced and will probably just provide electrification

We have money already committed for the Geelong area works to Waurn Ponds correct?
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Well there goes that 10 billion
Yeah, no mid-term MM2 announcement.

Money locked up for the stupid East-West Link.

Very unfortunate for Victorian Transport Infrastructure.

Oh yeah, 2 billion for high-speed rail to Geelong, what a joke. Like that was to happen.

This is a good summary,  I would add no freight work as mentioned by James.AU which project was this?

East West Link they will use this to put pressure on DAN but really I want to see this go to MM2?

Geelong High Speed Rail is gone and will be reduced and will probably just provide electrification

We have money already committed for the Geelong area works to Waurn Ponds correct?
bevans
Even the RACV state that that they no longer see the East West Link as a priority ( Channel 9 news tonight )
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Well there goes that 10 billion
Yeah, no mid-term MM2 announcement.

Money locked up for the stupid East-West Link.

Very unfortunate for Victorian Transport Infrastructure.

Oh yeah, 2 billion for high-speed rail to Geelong, what a joke. Like that was to happen.

This is a good summary,  I would add no freight work as mentioned by James.AU which project was this?

East West Link they will use this to put pressure on DAN but really I want to see this go to MM2?

Geelong High Speed Rail is gone and will be reduced and will probably just provide electrification

We have money already committed for the Geelong area works to Waurn Ponds correct?
Even the RACV state that that they no longer see the East West Link as a priority ( Channel 9 news tonight )
  @Capacity Station Staff

Location: On the Gippsland line, stuck behind a metro
Premier in Box Hill to announce the start of geotechnical work.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Premier in Box Hill to announce the start of geotechnical work.
@Capacity
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/suburban-rail-loop-site-investigations-start/

Interesting...
  chomper Junior Train Controller

If they are beginning the geotechnical work, I'll bet a steak dinner they've got the route sorted. Barring something like them finding dinosaur fossils or a UFO of course...
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

If they are beginning the geotechnical work, I'll bet a steak dinner they've got the route sorted. Barring something like them finding dinosaur fossils or a UFO of course...
chomper
The first section (Box Hill to Cheltenham) looks to be sandstone in the Northern half, and sand/silt/gravel in the Southern half...  The latter could be fun and games to tunnel through.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

If they are beginning the geotechnical work, I'll bet a steak dinner they've got the route sorted. Barring something like them finding dinosaur fossils or a UFO of course...
The first section (Box Hill to Cheltenham) looks to be sandstone in the Northern half, and sand/silt/gravel in the Southern half...  The latter could be fun and games to tunnel through.
Carnot
The sandstone is a snack, that silt would make it a nightmare.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I could see them using the geotechnical surveys as a way of justifying removing the Glen Waverley kink and going straighter between Monash and Burwood.

I still find it a bit upsetting that this is getting prioritised over Metro 2.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

I could see them using the geotechnical surveys as a way of justifying removing the Glen Waverley kink and going straighter between Monash and Burwood.

I still find it a bit upsetting that this is getting prioritised over Metro 2.
TOQ-1

I always thought the Glen Waverley "kink" was poorly thought out.

This is interesting:

The project will include 16 stations, with a new map of the project released on Tuesday showing a potential new interchange station at Wyndham Vale.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/suburban-rail-loop-work-begins-as-geologists-drill-deep-for-50b-line-20190723-p529yw.html
  chomper Junior Train Controller

The new indicative map:

  Lockie91 Train Controller

Hope Glen Waverley is dumped. Should IMO be replaced with MONASH > CHADSTONE > HOLMESGLEN > BURWOOD.

Route is more direct, delivers a station to a massive catchment area of Chadstone. Still connects with the GW line. Possibility of connecting Alamein in as well. Chadstone is a bigger and more important hub than GW.

Also good to see that the government has acknowledged that the WRL plan will also form part of the SRL. Along with the West Werribee connection. Even with traditional signalling there is plenty of capacity to run 6TPH to WV and 10TPH or more to Melbourne Airport.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Hope Glen Waverley is dumped. Should IMO be replaced with MONASH > CHADSTONE > HOLMESGLEN > BURWOOD.

Route is more direct, delivers a station to a massive catchment area of Chadstone. Still connects with the GW line. Possibility of connecting Alamein in as well. Chadstone is a bigger and more important hub than GW.
Lockie91
I can't quite tell if you're serious... route is more direct by going from Monash to Chadstone??? With the rail coming up from Clayton station to the university you're advocating a 90 degree turn to run a huge underground tunnel parallel to an existing railway, but about 2km North.  Draw that on a map and it's a giant zig-zag.

Using the Google Maps measure distance function I very roughly plotted Monash -> Chadstone -> Holmesglen station -> Deakin Uni and got about 10.2km, using the roundabout on Middle Rd as the point for Chadstone station and roughly the middle of the universities. Going via Glen Waverley station instead was 9.8km...

In constrast, the most direct route to Deakin via a station (Mount Waverley) is about 7.3km.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

Here's a stupid thought, what would it take to make the SRL an actual loop?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Here's a stupid thought, what would it take to make the SRL an actual loop?
chomper
A Tunnel under port Phillip Bay or Linking running Sandringham-Werribee as part of the loop.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Has there ever been any discussion or plans about this project before this was announced by the Victorian premier?
What does it actually achieve?
Are there better projects to spend money on?
With this being a 50 year project what will happen if the state libs get elected in 2026 or a future election?
Is it just a vanity project to out do the Metro projects being built Sydney?
Why isn't metro 2 being planned instead?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Has there ever been any discussion or plans about this project before this was announced by the Victorian premier?
What does it actually achieve?
Are there better projects to spend money on?
With this being a 50 year project what will happen if the state libs get elected in 2026 or a future election?
Is it just a vanity project to out do the Metro projects being built Sydney?
Why isn't metro 2 being planned instead?
simstrain
  1. Not as a whole, although a similar south-eastern orbital was proposed in 1969; the Sunshine-Airport section has long been proposed; and the connection between Wyndham Vale and Werribee has been on the cards since before the RRL opened. So it is not really a new concept.
  2. Apart from the obvious goal of improving intrasuburban connectivity, it also provides heavy rail to the Monash and Doncaster areas without the awkward questions about mainline connections that have plagued branchline proposals to these areas for a long time. (NB: I'm not saying this is the ideal solution, but it is a big benefit.)
  3. Define "better".
  4. Sunshine-Airport and Cheltenham-Box Hill will almost certainly be under construction by 2022. It is likely that Werribee-Wyndham Vale will be underway as part of a quad/spark project by 2026, in the probable scenario Labor win a third term. The north-eastern section is the most marginal anyway so really, who knows with that.
  5. No.
  6. It should be planned in addition to, not instead of. No objection here to that.

Sponsored advertisement

Display from: