Or could the Werribee and Wyndham Vale lines become one continuous loop (with werribee city bound trains continuing to Sandringham?
Has there ever been any discussion or plans about this project before this was announced by the Victorian premier?This specific project was announced before the election, as a whole it was a fresh idea, as PIMM said, parts of it are recycled from old ideas, but to put them all together in this form no, this is new.
What does it actually achieve?It provides a viable public transport option for people who currently don't have one. This gives more people the option of leaving the car at home. With Melbourne's population set to out-gun Sydney's in the next decade, the traffic in Melbourne is bad enough now, it will be unbearable if nothing is done. More public transport options are required, including more imaginative routes for heavy rail. That is what this is about.
Are there better projects to spend money on?Metro 2 could easily be defined as better, but that doesn't mean it can't happen at the same time, the SRL is going to be under construction at the same time as Metro 1, so theoretically Metro 2 can start afterwards and be built alongside SRL.
With this being a 50 year project what will happen if the state libs get elected in 2026 or a future election?The next state election is in 2022, by then the first 2 stages of SRL will be under construction, they being Cheltenham to Box Hill and Sunshine to Melbourne Airport. There is also a fair chance that Sunshine to Werribee will also be under construction. So if the Liberal party do get in after the next election, then they will have to cancel a project that is already under way, with thousands of jobs to be lost as a result. That would take some sort of ISIS inspired political suicide vest.
Is it just a vanity project to out do the Metro projects being built Sydney?Sydney is irrelevant. Being from Sydney you may struggle to understand this concept
Why isn't metro 2 being planned instead?To quote the little girl from the taco ad: "Why can't we have both?"
I am curious how the Werribee/Wyndham Vale connection will work. E.G. If you want to go from Hoppers Crossing to Sunshine you will you need to catch a train to Werribee (or whatever the terminus is) hop off and then wait for a train that takes you to Sunshine via Wyndham Vale?
Or could the Werribee and Wyndham Vale lines become one continuous loop (with Werribee city bound trains continuing to Sandringham?
Hope Glen Waverley is dumped. Should IMO be replaced with MONASH > CHADSTONE > HOLMESGLEN > BURWOOD.I can't quite tell if you're serious... route is more direct by going from Monash to Chadstone??? With the rail coming up from Clayton station to the university you're advocating a 90 degree turn to run a huge underground tunnel parallel to an existing railway, but about 2km North. Draw that on a map and it's a giant zig-zag.
Route is more direct, delivers a station to a massive catchment area of Chadstone. Still connects with the GW line. Possibility of connecting Alamein in as well. Chadstone is a bigger and more important hub than GW.
Using the Google Maps measure distance function I very roughly plotted Monash -> Chadstone -> Holmesglen station -> Deakin Uni and got about 10.2km, using the roundabout on Middle Rd as the point for Chadstone station and roughly the middle of the universities. Going via Glen Waverley station instead was 9.8km...
In constrast, the most direct route to Deakin via a station (Mount Waverley) is about 7.3km.
The route the Suburban Rail Loop should take is the route that would attract the most passengers. Glen Waverley is medium density, tending towards high density with a large population of students who are likely to be heading to both Deakin and Monash Universities.As someone said earlier on this thread, there are many bus lines that go through Glen Waverley. A Glen Waverley SRL station would be much more attractive for these passengers than Mount Waverley would be. The additional time for the other 90% of passengers would be minimal (maybe a minute or 2 tops).
This is why Glen Waverley has been chosen. It makes sense to me.
An interchange + a 5 minute train trip at Mount Waverley to get to Glen Waverley is not a major compromise for making the Suburban Rail Loop shorter and faster overall.That's how It's done In many European Cities.
An interchange + a 5 minute train trip at Mount Waverley to get to Glen Waverley is not a major compromise for making the Suburban Rail Loop shorter and faster overall.
Nightfire That's how It's done In many European Cities. Just provide good Interchange pedestrian access ways and useful Passenger Information Displays.
Very interesting to see the loop now using the Werribee - Wyndham Vale - Deer Park - Sunshine alignment. I'm not at all surprised, to be honest. And it locks in SRL and MARL as Broad Gauge.