Rail Alliance applaud new Member for Mildura

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 06 Dec 2018 20:50
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
When VicRoads response to a dip in the road that can knock your cruise control off is to put 60 km/h roadworks signs up for over 2 years, without doing a days work on it.

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  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Some of the roads up that neck of the woods are 110kph, certainly Robinvale (Euston) - Mildura and Mildura - Ouyen.
Quite a few up that way are 160/180 kph

Right... Shocked
The Vinelander
wobert, will have too travel at that speed, shortly, to keep up with Mike's, Vinelander Express............Wink

BigShunter.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I was pondering about turning into a middle aged bogan.......and buying a Mustang.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Do I need another one,but this'll do.....https://www.qantas.com/au/en.html
wobert

Wobert, please advise the QANTAS fares that are comparable with V/Line fares. As you would know we are not permitted to discriminate against the good folk of Sunraysia who currently get a second class, albeit reasonably frequent V/Line service compared to other regional cities in Victoria who enjoy frequent rail based V/Line services with V/Line fares.

As you've suggested QANTAS, they surely offer comparable fares at any time of the week on any of their services Question


To PIMM, I'm not the CEO of a construction company or consortium, nor am I an engineer who can accurately plan for and tender to undertake the project. Moreover, the scope of the project has not even been created as yet, so nobody can accurately determine the final costings.

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

To PIMM, I'm not the CEO of a construction company or consortium, nor am I an engineer who can accurately plan for and tender to undertake the project. Moreover, the scope of the project has not even been created as yet, so nobody can accurately determine the final costings.
The Vinelander

If you don’t believe there’s been any rigorous costing, then you must accept that there’s no reliable potential patronage figures provided either.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
When VicRoads response to a dip in the road that can knock your cruise control off is to put 60 km/h roadworks signs up for over 2 years, without doing a days work on it.
Donald
Sounds like VicRoads and V/Line were cut from the same cloth! Laughing

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
To PIMM, I'm not the CEO of a construction company or consortium, nor am I an engineer who can accurately plan for and tender to undertake the project. Moreover, the scope of the project has not even been created as yet, so nobody can accurately determine the final costings.

If you don’t believe there’s been any rigorous costing, then you must accept that there’s no reliable potential patronage figures provided either.
potatoinmymouth

My apologies PIMM for not advising the correct swing to Ali Cupper, the newly elected Independent MP for Mildura who gained an 8.4% swing to win the seat from the Nationals.

...nuff said regards 'potential figures provided'

Mike.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Some of the roads up that neck of the woods are 110kph, certainly Robinvale (Euston) - Mildura and Mildura - Ouyen.
Quite a few up that way are 160/180 kph
wobert
I have to comment, No two lane road is safe for 160/180kph UNLESS one can ABSOLUTELY garuntee there is no traffic in either direction, this includes cyclists and pedestrians. It is simply to difficult to see far enough ahead to be 100 percent safe.

Second point there a few cars on the road that I would consider to be safe at those sort of speeds.

Its VERY VERY unlikely we will ever see anyone drive from Mildura to Melbourne at these speeds.

Note: range can also be an issue at these speeds. A Jaguar XJS at 200kph has a range of something like 200K's at these speeds

Note 2: A HAVE been a passenger in a car (A Jaguar mk10) that did 200miles (Albury to Cragiburn) at 190kph.

Such travel is NOT practical on our roads in the state they are currently so remove it from the thread.

woodford
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
It wouldn’t cost an enormous amount to give a service that would take at most 6 hours.
ptvcommuter
Wouldn't it?

There are more than 50 level crossings on that route (Maryborough to Mildura). They would all need to be upgraded before any train would be permitted to run at over 115km/h, let alone 160km/h. And as for 115km/h, that would only be permitted for loco hauled passenger trains, DMUs like Vlocities or Sprinters would still be limited to 80km/h.

Then there is the installation of a new safeworking system to allow those crossings to work properly at higher speeds. In Victoria, this would mean a system like TPWS which has been installed along other lines that permit 160km/h running.

Then of course there is the track itself. The Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo and Gippsland lines were all rebuilt from the foundations up. New bed, new ballast, new heavy duty high profile concrete sleepers and new heavy rail. Oh yeah, and new signalling (possibly the most expensive part).

All of this over the entire 385km line from Maryborough to Mildura. It would easily cost over $1 Billion

All for what? 2 or 3 trains per day?


If Mildura is to get its passenger train back, then a plan like this is not ever going to be viable.

A new loco hauled train, running one return trip to Ballarat and back to Mildura each day, that may be within reach. Sure, it still won't compete with air for outright speed, but it may just be the level of service the average punter from up the hot end of the state is asking for.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Mikey,    Got no idea what Qantas or anyone else charges for a ticket,dont really care. But with 4000 individual trips either emanating or concluding at the Mildura Airport per week, therein lies your answer.

cheers
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Mikey,    Got no idea what Qantas or anyone else charges for a ticket,dont really care. But with 4000 individual trips either emanating or concluding at the Mildura Airport per week, therein lies your answer.

cheers
wobert

Ali Cupper, the new Independent MP for Mildura was NOT elected with an 8.4% swing from the do nothing former Nationals MP on a platform of supporting the air services between Mildura and Melbourne.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/guide/mild/

Therein lies your answer.

Mike.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Ali Cupper, the new Independent MP for Mildura was NOT elected with an 8.4% swing from the do nothing former Nationals MP on a platform of supporting the air services between Mildura and Melbourne.
The Vinelander
So; on what particular platform WAS she elected? Just one - a passenger train service? Nothing else like hospitals, child care, support for local industry et al?

Therein lies the real question.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Ali Cupper, the new Independent MP for Mildura was NOT elected with an 8.4% swing from the do nothing former Nationals MP on a platform of supporting the air services between Mildura and Melbourne.
So; on what particular platform WAS she elected? Just one - a passenger train service? Nothing else like hospitals, child care, support for local industry et al?

Therein lies the real question.
Valvegear

I wrote some posts back about Ali Cupper's advocacy for improvements to the Mildura hospital which is in a scandalous administrative situation. Some of the things that have occured there are simply breathtaking and this is known in the Mildura community and from my own first hand experience.

Locally, if you get sick and have to be admitted to the hospital...the first tip is to purchase a ticket on the next flight to Melbourne Exclamation
This was No 1. on Alis's election manifesto.

No 2. is the return of the passenger train service.

Please read:

https://alicupperindependent.nationbuilder.com/

Mike.
  Humber Beginner

How about this for a novel idea.........

An overnight sleeper train to Mildura that carries both you and your car in somnolent bliss! Wink

Now that's a train worth catching.....
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
How about this for a novel idea.........

An overnight sleeper train to Mildura that carries both you and your car in somnolent bliss! Wink

Now that's a train worth catching.....
Humber

Welcome Humber

This style of train worked well I am told for many many years.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
How about this for a novel idea.........

An overnight sleeper train to Mildura that carries both you and your car in somnolent bliss! Wink

Now that's a train worth catching.....

Welcome Humber

This style of train worked well I am told for many many years.
x31

...apparently so...I think it was called 'The Vinelander' after a school competition to name the train... Smile
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
How about this for a novel idea.........

An overnight sleeper train to Mildura that carries both you and your car in somnolent bliss! Wink

Now that's a train worth catching.....

Welcome Humber

This style of train worked well I am told for many many years.

...apparently so...I think it was called 'The Vinelander' after a school competition to name the train... Smile
The Vinelander
I'm disillusioned Mike. I thought it was named after you.

Car on the back of train. Worked well enough 50 years ago when the Calder highway was a 12 hour goat track.
Nowadays it's a better 6 hour middle standard road. Can't see enough business.

cheers
John
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Last night I asked Federal member for Mallee  Andrew Broad about a passenger train to Mildura, he just laughed and said everyone flies.  One of the few things we agreed on.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Last night I asked Federal member for Mallee  Andrew Broad about a passenger train to Mildura, he just laughed and said everyone flies.  One of the few things we agreed on.
wobert

I couldn't agree more that Andrew Broad would with his hubris would say just that.

He has the safest seat in Australia and can only lose it with a swing of over 20% Exclamation

Because he has little knowledge of V/Line and was just a kid when the Vinelander was axed, I don't blame him entirely for his dismissive views and opinions.

Nevertheless, he will soon learn of the locals re-kindled feelings and further...was he also dismissive of his National's mate Peter Crisps defeat...and if he was, did you ask him his views on that subject as well  Question

I've half a mind to send Vinelander Snr into his electoral office to have words and see if he's equally dismissive towards an 89yo senior citizen.

Mike.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

WRT to the new Victorian parliament Upper House, the ALP have 18 seats (up from 14 in the last parliament) out of a total of 40.

The Coalition have dropped to 11 (10 Lib, + 1 Nat).

The crossbench is 3 from the Hinch Mob, 2 Lib Dems, then one each from the Greens, Fiona Patten (Sex aka Reason Party), Transport Matters (taxi lobby), the Shooters, Sustainable Australia and Animal Justice.

Labor will probably actually find it pretty easy to get stuff through.   The Libs will need the support of basically the entire rabble of a cross bench to block anything, whereas for Labor to get a majority of 21, they have multiple routes they can take.  Progressive legislation will pass with ALP + Green/Patten/AJP.  Some centrist legislation might go through as ALP + Hinch.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
WRT to the new Victorian parliament Upper House, the ALP have 18 seats (up from 14 in the last parliament) out of a total of 40.

The Coalition have dropped to 11 (10 Lib, + 1 Nat).

The crossbench is 3 from the Hinch Mob, 2 Lib Dems, then one each from the Greens, Fiona Patten (Sex aka Reason Party), Transport Matters (taxi lobby), the Shooters, Sustainable Australia and Animal Justice.

Labor will probably actually find it pretty easy to get stuff through.   The Libs will need the support of basically the entire rabble of a cross bench to block anything, whereas for Labor to get a majority of 21, they have multiple routes they can take.  Progressive legislation will pass with ALP + Green/Patten/AJP.  Some centrist legislation might go through as ALP + Hinch.
Adogs
So I'm still wondering how 1 lower house Independent member can convince the Labor treasury department to sign off on a kings ransom to support one public service ?

Labor only governs for marginal seats followed by their own seats, opposition seats may as well be In another State.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Last night I asked Federal member for Mallee  Andrew Broad about a passenger train to Mildura, he just laughed and said everyone flies.  One of the few things we agreed on.
wobert

Looks like Mildura is now wide open for the federal election too, despite the 20% swing required, as its local National party Federal MP resigns in a sex scandal.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-broad-resigns-from-morrison-ministry-over-bombshell-sex-scandal-allegations-20181217-p50mon.html

Mike.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
This particular Mildura pie has been flying around the sky for so long that it's becoming ridiculous.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Last night I asked Federal member for Mallee  Andrew Broad about a passenger train to Mildura, he just laughed and said everyone flies.  One of the few things we agreed on.

Looks like Mildura is now wide open for the federal election too, despite the 20% swing required, as its local National party Federal MP resigns in a sex scandal.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-broad-resigns-from-morrison-ministry-over-bombshell-sex-scandal-allegations-20181217-p50mon.html

Mike.
The Vinelander
Stop enjoying yourself at the poor blokes expense   BWWAAAH HHAAARRRR Haven't laughed so much since Grandma died.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I should clarify that a bit,I don't care one way or another who he shags or whatever, it's the hypocrisy from the likes of Broad and Barnaby and all their family values horse ship. And if he's been rorting/rooting the taxpayer.

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