Qantas launches direct Bendigo-Sydney service

 
  Big J Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Wait until you see the fares before cheering.
mikesyd
Still will be cheaper than the train if you pay full fare. Wink

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  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Still a BIG vote of confidence in regional bendigo as a centre which really should have the same style of service as Dubbo and Broken Hill etc.

Are QANTAS planning to use a SAAB?
bevans
Dash 8 300 series:- https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/qantas/pdfs/qantas-experience/onboard/seatmaps/dash-8-300.pdf
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

I don't know Bendigo enough to know the big businesses there. Who is big in finance there?
Starts with Bendigo and ends with Bank!

Australia's 5th biggest bank if you believe the TV ads doing the rounds at the moment.

BG
The only major bank unscathed by the Royal Commission IIRC. ?
YM-Mundrabilla
No. They got smashed with dodgy loans to farmers.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
A cool way to take some more time from Sydney if you are not on a hurry would be to take the Qantas service from Sydney to Bendigo and then V/Line to Melbourne.

That would be fun almost like Sydney to Canberra on the early train and then the flight to Melbourne.

What do people think the next regional Qantas service in Victoria could be?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

A cool way to take some more time from Sydney if you are not on a hurry would be to take the Qantas service from Sydney to Bendigo and then V/Line to Melbourne.

That would be fun almost like Sydney to Canberra on the early train and then the flight to Melbourne.

What do people think the next regional Qantas service in Victoria could be?
x31
The Route 60 bus in Bendigo just needs an update to the timetable to run via the Bgo Airport terminal after 19:30 to the Station, take the 20:05 V/line to Melbourne, and you could pull it off!

The reverse could be done with a 6:16 departure from SCS, grab the 8:28am route 60 bus, rush through check-in and off you fly at 9:10 am.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The only major bank unscathed by the Royal Commission IIRC. ?
No. They got smashed with dodgy loans to farmers.
ParkesHub
Is that through their Rural Bank Limited subsiduary?

BG
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

The only major bank unscathed by the Royal Commission IIRC. ?
No. They got smashed with dodgy loans to farmers.
Is that through their Rural Bank Limited subsiduary?

BG
BrentonGolding
Yep, that'd be the one.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

First Qantaslink flight landed in Bendigo last night.  Hundreds of locals rocked up.  Probably the most exciting thing at the airport since the Harrier Jump Jet visit in the late-1980s:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfyWBsu5KEw

Both last night and this morning's flights were full.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Encouraging news.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
In case anyone was wondering, the Dash8-300 used on this service has 50 seats.  The Q400s that do routes like Wagga, Albury etc, have about 74.  

I wonder which aircraft they intended to originally use?

It will be interesting to see how the numbers might grow.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I really do believe this service will be very good for Bendigo and I note the numbers coming into Bendigo from Sydney.  I wonder if they will expand running Adelaide-Bendigo-Sydney vv or Bendigo-Albury=Sydney vv ?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

In case anyone was wondering, the Dash8-300 used on this service has 50 seats.  The Q400s that do routes like Wagga, Albury etc, have about 74.  

I wonder which aircraft they intended to originally use?

It will be interesting to see how the numbers might grow.
james.au
The Airport upgrade was designed for Q400s.  If the service is a hit then it wouldn't surprise me to see them use the bigger plane, especially during peak times.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
In case anyone was wondering, the Dash8-300 used on this service has 50 seats.  The Q400s that do routes like Wagga, Albury etc, have about 74.  

I wonder which aircraft they intended to originally use?

It will be interesting to see how the numbers might grow.
The Airport upgrade was designed for Q400s.  If the service is a hit then it wouldn't surprise me to see them use the bigger plane, especially during peak times.
Carnot
I agree, however the Q300 to suggests that its not as bit a market (yet) to warrant the Q400.

I can still book cheap seats for Thursday/Friday next week - $185 return.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@bevans I don't think they even considered flying a Sydney-Adelaide via Bendigo since Adelaide isn't one of their hubs and they would be relying largely on connecting traffic to fill the flights.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
@bevans I don't think they even considered flying a Sydney-Adelaide via Bendigo since Adelaide isn't one of their hubs and they would be relying largely on connecting traffic to fill the flights.
railblogger
In the tone of Family Fued

Qantas did a survey of 100,000 people in Adelaide and asked how many wanted to fly to Bendigo?

Answer 1 : 1000  - X
Answer 2 :  100   - XX
Answer 3 :  10     - XXX

We swing to the other family, and their Answer: umm   1  - X

The real answer is "0"
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Lets not too excited about this Sydney - Bendigo route just yet, Australia has a very very long list of failed regional routes without a subsidy. Give Qantas a year to see if they can make this work.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Generally agreed RTT but QF usually isn't the one making the mistake.  Though the Q300 on the route instead of the Q400 tells me their ready to start from a low base.

IMO rex would make a decent go of this with theor 34 seaters.
  Big J Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Generally agreed RTT but QF usually isn't the one making the mistake.  Though the Q300 on the route instead of the Q400 tells me their ready to start from a low base.

IMO rex would make a decent go of this with theor 34 seaters.
james.au
No one is saying that QF has made a mistake, but they are taking a good slice of risk as this route has been tried and failed in the past. For airlines it isn't just loading, but yield matters. As you said using a Q300 may reduce the cost to fly but it the yield per seat is not as good as a Q400. However the Q300 would be a low cost as it is well and truly paid off, but the number of pax is lower.

Anyway it is good that QF is having a crack and there should be sufficient catchment to attract people to Bendigo to fly to Sydney rather than dealing with Melbourne.

The downside is frequency as Bendigo will struggle to compete with Melbourne for that.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Generally agreed RTT but QF usually isn't the one making the mistake.  Though the Q300 on the route instead of the Q400 tells me their ready to start from a low base.

IMO rex would make a decent go of this with theor 34 seaters.
No one is saying that QF has made a mistake, but they are taking a good slice of risk as this route has been tried and failed in the past. For airlines it isn't just loading, but yield matters. As you said using a Q300 may reduce the cost to fly but it the yield per seat is not as good as a Q400. However the Q300 would be a low cost as it is well and truly paid off, but the number of pax is lower.

Anyway it is good that QF is having a crack and there should be sufficient catchment to attract people to Bendigo to fly to Sydney rather than dealing with Melbourne.

The downside is frequency as Bendigo will struggle to compete with Melbourne for that.
Big J
In fact no one has tried the Bendigo-Sydney route.  In the early 1980s there was an airline called Sovereign Airlines that did a daily Mildura-Swan Hill-Bendigo-Melbourne and back run with a Piper Chieftain from memory.  It didn't last long.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Generally agreed RTT but QF usually isn't the one making the mistake.  Though the Q300 on the route instead of the Q400 tells me their ready to start from a low base.

IMO rex would make a decent go of this with theor 34 seaters.
No one is saying that QF has made a mistake, but they are taking a good slice of risk as this route has been tried and failed in the past. For airlines it isn't just loading, but yield matters. As you said using a Q300 may reduce the cost to fly but it the yield per seat is not as good as a Q400. However the Q300 would be a low cost as it is well and truly paid off, but the number of pax is lower.

Anyway it is good that QF is having a crack and there should be sufficient catchment to attract people to Bendigo to fly to Sydney rather than dealing with Melbourne.

The downside is frequency as Bendigo will struggle to compete with Melbourne for that.
Big J
I spent many years on aviation before turning to rail so am versed in all the terms you mention.  

Im not saying QF has made a mistake but I would have expected the Q400 on this route if if was going gang busters from the onset is all im saying.  and to be able to get seats for $185 next week suggests there is still some way to go.  Even if QF was keeping the prices low to generate the market, the seats on Friday should all be gone now.

Re yield, this is not an aircraft type related measure, but you are probably referring to CASK which is, the Q400 has a lower CASK than the Q300 for sure.

Re the payoff, QF uses the concept of return on invested capital (ROIC), so whilst there wont be a significant depreciation amount adding to their CASK there will be a capital charge reflecting the opportunity cost of that capital should it be deployed elsewhere.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Slightly off topic (obscure destinations), however the first 50 registering their interest in Jetstar’s new route to Tasmania’s Laerton Island, advertised in yesterday’s newspapers, received a $100 travel voucher.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Ok - a bit less skeptical now I've done some cross checking.  Airliners.net is reporting that the Q300 was always planned as the security screening needed for the Q400 isn't in place at BXG.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The 50 people should have read the name backwards before going any further.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Their gullibility earned themselves $100.

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