woy woy to cowan is to get a new alignment.And the details are? Oh; I see, somebody said it but there aren't any details. And what will it cost? Oh, we don't know that either. Well, do we have any idea of where the new alignment will be? Uh huh.
woy woy to cowan is to get a new alignment.And the details are? Oh; I see, somebody said it but there aren't any details. And what will it cost? Oh, we don't know that either. Well, do we have any idea of where the new alignment will be? Uh huh.
Has anybody considered that the altitudes of Hawkesbury River and Cowan aren't going to change, so trains will still have the same amount of height to surmount?
Just as a matter of academic interest, is there an election looming? Well, what a coincidence!
I read simstrain with interest, because he obviously believes that sports stadiums are the most important things for taxpayers to fund.Sydney generates 25% of National GDP and 75% of NSW, if they want a new stadium they are entitled to it, whether I or you agree or not.
I happen to disagree very strongly with this idea, and I am on the side of people who want infrastructure in country areas (a) for their quality of life and (b) to induce decentralisation.
Yah, now get another million people to join you (and I) and we have a justification for Milthorpe getting a track side platform.It is therefore safe to assume most of the people living in Sydney do so by choice. On retirement, how many actually back up and leave to cash their million dollar orange brick home in a boring street into a house near the water or hills out of the Sydney catchment, not that many.
All of my relatives have (but my mum moved back). So have my in-laws. All of my immediate family has. I have.
Valvegear,woy woy to cowan is to get a new alignment.And the details are? Oh; I see, somebody said it but there aren't any details. And what will it cost? Oh, we don't know that either. Well, do we have any idea of where the new alignment will be? Uh huh.
Has anybody considered that the altitudes of Hawkesbury River and Cowan aren't going to change, so trains will still have the same amount of height to surmount?
Just as a matter of academic interest, is there an election looming? Well, what a coincidence!
I think it's unlikely the Opposition will prevail tomorrow, consequently I believe 4 more years of Glady's will see her team well and truly on the nose and probably despatched next time...in 2023 which seems like an eternity away.
One point that really irks me in NSW is the completely lost opportunity of ordering your new country fleet as tilt trains which would aid in greatly accelerating regional train timetables and making regional trains more competitive and potentially even faster than car travel as is the case in Victoria.
The economists and clutch penny's of the NSW Treasury have definitely impacted on that missed opportunity.
Mike.
2) Brooklyn to Cowan is one option, but why actually go to Cowan, its longer and higher, climb for the sake of climb and nothing there when you get there. Head further south to Berowa. Don't cross the F3. Less altitude, longer run, more direct
Valvegear,Yep; there's an election on.
reality check time.
Flat being the main issues for Woy Woy to Brooklyn being the bends along Cockle Creek, they are easy to straighten out. Personally I would then by-pass the tunnel and come out north of Koolingwong for the freight, express and regional. Only all stoppers via Woy Woy continue the current route.Valvegear,Yep; there's an election on.
reality check time.
I don't doubt your comments about the feasibility of Woy Woy to Brooklyn ( although it's not quite flat, hence the Woy Woy tunnel) or the bypassing of Cowan, but 60 years as a voter have left me with a huge dose of cynicism about vague proposals like this.
Edit: Doing some checks found Cowan to be 209 metres ASL, and Berowra 206 metres ASL, so there's very little height advantage. It is 4.2 km between the two, which would allow RTT's avoidance of Cowan that extra distance to get to the top.
Face the facts; it's a thought bubble and the atmosphere here is full of them now.
Yes; the idea is practicable from an engineering viewpoint. So is straightening out the Main South to Junee. So is a tunnel of double stack height from Emu Plains to Lithgow.
All of them are feasible, but none will happen in your lifetime, much less in mine.
Look at how long it took from concept to reality, to have SG trains all the way between Sydney and Melbourne. My father, a Rolling Stock Engineer with Victorian Railways, was talking about the scheme when I was five years old, and it wasn't new then. I was in my early twenties when it happened - 300 km of railway along an existing alignment, which is a doddle compared to the Short North idea.
Great Idea. Where is this Cockle Ck you speak of?Flat being the main issues for Woy Woy to Brooklyn being the bends along Cockle Creek, they are easy to straighten out. Personally I would then by-pass the tunnel and come out north of Koolingwong for the freight, express and regional. Only all stoppers via Woy Woy continue the current route.Valvegear,Yep; there's an election on.
reality check time.
I don't doubt your comments about the feasibility of Woy Woy to Brooklyn ( although it's not quite flat, hence the Woy Woy tunnel) or the bypassing of Cowan, but 60 years as a voter have left me with a huge dose of cynicism about vague proposals like this.
Edit: Doing some checks found Cowan to be 209 metres ASL, and Berowra 206 metres ASL, so there's very little height advantage. It is 4.2 km between the two, which would allow RTT's avoidance of Cowan that extra distance to get to the top.
Face the facts; it's a thought bubble and the atmosphere here is full of them now.
Yes; the idea is practicable from an engineering viewpoint. So is straightening out the Main South to Junee. So is a tunnel of double stack height from Emu Plains to Lithgow.
All of them are feasible, but none will happen in your lifetime, much less in mine.
Look at how long it took from concept to reality, to have SG trains all the way between Sydney and Melbourne. My father, a Rolling Stock Engineer with Victorian Railways, was talking about the scheme when I was five years old, and it wasn't new then. I was in my early twenties when it happened - 300 km of railway along an existing alignment, which is a doddle compared to the Short North idea.
The thing with the LNP govt, is that unlike the previous ALP govt, they pretty much built or did everything they said they would with regarding rail, whether we agree or not.
Do I think they will by-pass the Cowan bank within next 4 years, no. Cowan Bank, is a big ticket item. Leave to 2nd and focus on the Cockle Creek bends and the Mt K to Berowa bends first.
The difference between now and the past and Central Coast line and the Southern Main is numbers. The Central Coast line is now moving 20mpa, roughly same as rest of interurban lines combined. The North Shore line is about double the commuters in peak.