Is George Pell the new Lindy Chamberlain

 
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The business about Richter, pus any other credible material belongs in the other thread about Pell. This thread is all about speculation and guesswork.

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  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Close one or the other. He doesn't require that much space.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Close one or the other. He doesn't require that much space.
kitchgp
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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
He hasn't quit, it has just been confirmed on 2GB, apparently Richter has put out a statement denying he has quit.
lsrailfan
I'm not sure if Pell might have sacked Richter?

I apologise for opening this thread last night but frankly I'm really annoyed, I think this has implications for everyone if it stands and I'm convinced that there's too many people out there prepared to believe Pell was a perpetrator for no other reason than people like Tim Minchin et al. have insinuated it for long enough that a fair trial-by-jury was impossible.

Just my opinion.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
... Also don't forget that both Lindy Chaimberlain and Pauline Hanson were convicted by juries and their decision was overturned on later appeal.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Equally, given that the tentacles of the Roman Catholic Church extend into the upper echelons of power, as evidenced by the Royal Commission, one could doubt the validity of any appeal process outcome.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

They need to amend the Ten Commandments too, as there is nothing there forbidding fornication with under age kids.  Perhaps that's why the Vatican hasn't acted.
mikesyd
It presents a good argument for abolishing the celibacy of the priesthood.

It would have been adultery (7/10) if he was married.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
They need to amend the Ten Commandments too, as there is nothing there forbidding fornication with under age kids.  Perhaps that's why the Vatican hasn't acted.
It presents a good argument for abolishing the celibacy of the priesthood.
justapassenger
This is a key issue.

In fact, it is fundamental to most of the fault-lines in "the priesthood" - and I leave that vague as it is not limited to Roman Catholicism. Nuns in religious orders broke the silence at the recent synod in Rome with their own #metoo moment that could spill world-wide. Many women - nuns and women in the Church pews - have been victims of the sexual appetites of "the priesthood" ... celibate (ordained) men who have disregarded their vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.

Take note of that last word, obedience.

I recall watching the Royal Commission when 5 or 6 archbishops were on the stand and Justice Peter McCallum asked if Bishops could interrogate their priests and find out if they had committed abuse. Archbishop Mark Coleridge of Brisbane replied, "No, that would violate the internal forum", that is to say, that a priest could refuse - in conscience - to reply to a Bishop's inquiry if he decided in his conscience that he had the right to conceal his kiddy-fiddling and related matters.

Poor Justice Peter McCallum. He is not a moral theologian and let that one go.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

They need to amend the Ten Commandments too, as there is nothing there forbidding fornication with under age kids.  Perhaps that's why the Vatican hasn't acted.
It presents a good argument for abolishing the celibacy of the priesthood.

It would have been adultery (7/10) if he was married.
justapassenger
Plenty of other verses in the Bible that forbid fornication (sexual immorality) such as Leviticus 18, Matt 18:6-7, Acts 15:20, Romans 1:27-28,  1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Jude verses 4 and 7.

Priestly celibacy was only introduced in the 11th century.  Most or all of Jesus' apostles were married, and some were women (Romans 16:15, 2 John 1).

And if priests aren't married and have no children, then the wealth stays in the church.  They won't let go of this rule in a hurry unfortunately....
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Plenty of other verses in the Bible that forbid fornication (sexual immorality) such as Leviticus 18,
"Carnot"
I love the book of Leviticus, particularly in the King James version.
One day, I'll sit down and count the number of times it says, "  . . . and ye shall be put to death." I might even list the number and type of alleged offences involved.
It would be instructional to list it out, just to demonstrate the utter irrelevance of that particular book.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Plenty of other verses in the Bible that forbid fornication (sexual immorality) such as Leviticus 18,
I love the book of Leviticus, particularly in the King James version.
One day, I'll sit down and count the number of times it says, "  . . . and ye shall be put to death." I might even list the number and type of alleged offences involved.
It would be instructional to list it out, just to demonstrate the utter irrelevance of that particular book.
Valvegear
That was under the Old Covenantal Law for the Israelites.  The New Covenant maintains the moral imperatives for believers (Acts 15:20, John 8), but doesn't proscribe a theocratic government with all its punishments.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
That was under the Old Covenantal Law for the Israelites.  The New Covenant maintains the moral imperatives for believers (Acts 15:20, John 8), but doesn't proscribe a theocratic government with all its punishments.
"Carnot"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that means that the Old Covenantal Law has been superseded by the New Covenant. If that's the case, why are you listing Leviticus an an authority?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

That was under the Old Covenantal Law for the Israelites.  The New Covenant maintains the moral imperatives for believers (Acts 15:20, John 8), but doesn't proscribe a theocratic government with all its punishments.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that means that the Old Covenantal Law has been superseded by the New Covenant. If that's the case, why are you listing Leviticus an an authority?
Valvegear
The Mosiac Law consisted of Moral, Ceremonial, and Food laws.  Ceremonial laws are obsolete since the temple is no longer necessary, and the food laws were related to ritual cleanliness and national identity (again no longer required).

But the moral law stays (Acts 15).

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/shellfish-slavery-and-same-sex-marriage-how-not-to-read-the-bibl/10099646
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Carnot, we might be (are) splitting hairs here, but I make the earliest Lateran councils in the 1100s the time when priesthood celibacy was ratified into the Catholic Church. That would be 12th century - do you have earlier dates?
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Carnot, we might be (are) splitting hairs here, but I make the earliest Lateran councils in the 1100s the time when priesthood celibacy was ratified into the Catholic Church. That would be 12th century - do you have earlier dates?
Aaron
You are very close. circa 1100, the pope found out from his bishops that most of the priests in Europe and the UK were sleeping with their housekeepers. Of course there also sexually active Popes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popes
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Somehow 574M I don’t think that wiki list is entirely comprehensive...
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do not need two  active threads about this.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11399360-s100.htm

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