Leigh Creek - a new beginning?

 
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Gas in any significant quantities is transported by pipeline.

The Leigh Creek railway is basically dead with no future.

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  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Gas in any significant quantities is transported by pipeline.

The Leigh Creek railway is basically dead with no future.
RTT_Rules
I have to agree with this as unless some valuable ore is found alongside or near this railway line then it will eventually fall into the unmaintained and possibly even get pulled up in the future.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
This thread has been giving me a laugh since the beginning.

I have been catching up with an old mate this morning who said that he was involved in some work earlier this year out at sundrop.

He walked away early on and of course professionalism dictates that it’s not always possible to say much, but he said ‘They have this dream of how it works, and we are engineers, not Roald Dahl’s BFG’.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
This thread has been giving me a laugh since the beginning.

I have been catching up with an old mate this morning who said that he was involved in some work earlier this year out at sundrop.

He walked away early on and of course professionalism dictates that it’s not always possible to say much, but he said ‘They have this dream of how it works, and we are engineers, not Roald Dahl’s BFG’.
Aaron
Nothing like letting engineering or science get in the way of a grand ideological vision.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Sundrop - there is nothing wrong with the idea.

If we can reduce land clearing with such a concept it means no removal of existing or native vegetation, no fertiliser or nitrogen dioxide into the atmosphere, and a reduction in greenhouse gases.

Yes, fruit and vegetables can be grown in arid areas, but the model does rely on desalination. OK, so it remains underpowered.

If it has its weak points, it can be improved next time or with a new iteration in design and operation. Same applies even for the unviable solar thermal plant.

Until that happens, there is still a coal and gas deposit in Leigh Creek that if found to he commercially viable, needs a new power station nearby.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Further to the above, and if the linked article is to be believed, the infrastructure required will probably require significant use of the available railway which can truck equipment from anywhere in the country...

https://smallcaps.com.au/leigh-creek-energy-massive-gas-reserve-south-australian-syngas-project/
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Sundrop - there is nothing wrong with the idea.
ANR
Nothing wrong with the idea - except the fact that it doesn't work.

Nothing wrong with trying to prove that 1 + 2 = 5 either, except eventually you will have to accept that such an undertaking just doesn't work.

Your ideology is fine, but your intelligence was proven earlier when you stated that 'the success of Sundrop in Port Augusta shows that the sun does always shine.' - Really? I mean you really think that? Like you've never seen a sunset, night time or sunrise before? Because much more than an unsuccessful 'successful' enterprise, those three things kind of prove that the sun doesn't always shine. Sunset, night time and sunrise are fairly reliable (and frequently repeated - if you missed it today, you'll see it tomorrow) empirical evidence of the discontinuance of sunlight.

Sundrop

no removal of existing or native vegetation, no fertiliser
ANR
Are you sure about that? And by that I don't mean 'nothing wrong with [it]' sure.

No removal of existing or native vegetation? So, what is where you propose to build these Sundrop type set ups? Because there most surely either something existing or native there.

Hydroponic growing systems require arguably more fertiliser than most terrestrial agriculture, desalinated water is likely to be (okay, just IS) even worse in requirements than hydroponics in standard fresh water delivery areas.

gas deposit in Leigh Creek that if found to he commercially viable, needs a new power station nearby.
ANR
Ever heard of South Pars/North Dome in Qatar? Quite well regarded as being commercially viable. Literally not a power station or railway in sight.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
This thread has been giving me a laugh since the beginning.

I have been catching up with an old mate this morning who said that he was involved in some work earlier this year out at sundrop.

He walked away early on and of course professionalism dictates that it’s not always possible to say much, but he said ‘They have this dream of how it works, and we are engineers, not Roald Dahl’s BFG’.
Nothing like letting engineering or science get in the way of a grand ideological vision.
RTT_Rules
Irrelevant in this case, but it never ceases to amaze me how many environmental (or 'green' type) projects forget that they cannot get a free lunch and avoid the laws of thermodynamics.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

Ah yes, like the greeny lady who told me that there were really good batteries for houses but the electric companies were conspiring to keep them off the market.
Back on topic when I was photo'ing CLPs on the main line I spent a few hours out on the Leigh Creek branch to get the 82 class then new on the job. I met a Power Station Engineer out there and passed the comment that the track didn't look all that smart, lots of rotten sleepers and loose spikes. He replied that the Power Stations were even worse and had been poorly maintained. Timber sleepers don't last all that long out in that country. My guess is that everything to do with the power station and railway was just run down to the end. It will take a lot of work to bring the railway back up to operating condition, and this will get greater with each passing year. No power station, no mine, no railway anymore.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Ah yes, like the greeny lady who told me that there were really good batteries for houses but the electric companies were conspiring to keep them off the market.
Back on topic when I was photo'ing CLPs on the main line I spent a few hours out on the Leigh Creek branch to get the 82 class then new on the job. I met a Power Station Engineer out there and passed the comment that the track didn't look all that smart, lots of rotten sleepers and loose spikes. He replied that the Power Stations were even worse and had been poorly maintained. Timber sleepers don't last all that long out in that country. My guess is that everything to do with the power station and railway was just run down to the end. It will take a lot of work to bring the railway back up to operating condition, and this will get greater with each passing year. No power station, no mine, no railway anymore.
neillfarmer

The railway was not run down to the end.

The line was upgraded in the last year or so before closure as part of Alinta's commitment to return the track to the government in the same condition in which it was received.......or something along those lines. It was a lot harder to chase in it's last six months than it had been for many a year due to a lot fewer speed restrictions.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Ah yes, like the greeny lady who told me that there were really good batteries for houses but the electric companies were conspiring to keep them off the market.
Back on topic when I was photo'ing CLPs on the main line I spent a few hours out on the Leigh Creek branch to get the 82 class then new on the job. I met a Power Station Engineer out there and passed the comment that the track didn't look all that smart, lots of rotten sleepers and loose spikes. He replied that the Power Stations were even worse and had been poorly maintained. Timber sleepers don't last all that long out in that country. My guess is that everything to do with the power station and railway was just run down to the end. It will take a lot of work to bring the railway back up to operating condition, and this will get greater with each passing year. No power station, no mine, no railway anymore.

The railway was not run down to the end.

The line was upgraded in the last year or so before closure as part of Alinta's commitment to return the track to the government in the same condition in which it was received.......or something along those lines. It was a lot harder to chase in it's last six months than it had been for many a year due to a lot fewer speed restrictions.
bingley hall
Didn't someone post most of the line is concrete sleepers?
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Wasn't me, but I thought the same. Wasn't this the stretch of track used in the filming beyond thunderdome? The track in the movie had concrete sleepers.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

If that is so then they returned it in much better condition than they received it.
  emdrules Train Controller

Location: Port Augusta-Centre Of The Universe
Wasn't me, but I thought the same. Wasn't this the stretch of track used in the filming beyond thunderdome? The track in the movie had concrete sleepers.
ANR
Was on the Tarcoola Alice Springs line. That is all concrete.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

The thread that refuses to die...

If the Lyndhurst mines generate significant ore, could there be an extension of the railway line from Leigh Creek??? Would the new port at PA be loading this onto ships?

https://www.strategicminerals.net/projects/leigh-creek-copper-mine.html

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/198762/strategic-minerals-commences-leigh-creek-copper-mine-work-programme-198762.html
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Wasn't me, but I thought the same. Wasn't this the stretch of track used in the filming beyond thunderdome? The track in the movie had concrete sleepers.
Was on the Tarcoola Alice Springs line. That is all concrete.
emdrules
I remember reading or watching an interview about that shoot, they only had 6h or so a day to have access to the line.

Watching the movie the near new track was a bit out of place in a what was supposed to be a few decades post a global nuclear conflict.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The thread that refuses to die...

If the Lyndhurst mines generate significant ore, could there be an extension of the railway line from Leigh Creek??? Would the new port at PA be loading this onto ships?

https://www.strategicminerals.net/projects/leigh-creek-copper-mine.html

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/198762/strategic-minerals-commences-leigh-creek-copper-mine-work-programme-198762.html
ANR
Did you read the opening paragraph of the first link you provided? Any traffic will go by road, for near the exact reason all 'The Dam's' production goes by road.

What they're shipping is hardly 'ore'.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

There have been numerous attempts at reasonable discussion in this thread, but all of them ignored.

It's high time that it was put in the place it wants to go - the Armchair Operators forum - or locked.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I think ANR and this thread are by far too fanciful, even for the armchair operators lounge...
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

This seems to be another dream from the same person on another web page that said that Gawler to Balaklava passenger services were going to become reality. If they are smoking something that strong then I suggest they either give it up altogether or cut the amount that they smoke at any one time. Note he stated just passenger services nothing else though, sounds look a good paying proposition, not! The thread is just a laugh about it though, I mean 60 Klm is nothing really you could drive to Balaklava faster.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/southozrail/gawler-to-balaklava-rail-corridor-to-be-reinstated-t2869.html

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