XPT replacement thread 2019

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Thanks CS and Peter...much appreciated..

Mike.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Thanks CS and Peter...much appreciated..

Mike.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Yes the XPT's are a bit broken at the moment. The dubbo XPT broke down at Penrith yesterday. Your best bet for transport in NSW at the moment is a car.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

You will need to be on the XPT appreciation group to see this but ask to join and you should have no problems.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2709294472423257&set=pcb.2410964705625679&type=3&theater
So the conclusion to all the duct tape and wires on the XPT power car in this image is that when you travel on an XPT from now on you are travelling on a working test and analysis vehicle.

Also expect that if the results are what nsw trainling think they will be that permanent bustitution could be occuring and don't expect the new fleet to travel South of Albury.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Who knew that when this thread was originally created, the replacement we would be talking about is bustitution. Maybe we should he looking at what makes a great long range bus coach.

Trainlink or whatever its called needs to think outside the box it has backed itself in.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Who knew that when this thread was originally created, the replacement we would be talking about is bustitution. Maybe we should he looking at what makes a great long range bus coach.

Trainlink or whatever its called needs to think outside the box it has backed itself in.
ANR

Bustitution till the new fleet.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Who knew that when this thread was originally created, the replacement we would be talking about is bustitution. Maybe we should he looking at what makes a great long range bus coach.

Trainlink or whatever its called needs to think outside the box it has backed itself in.

Bustitution till the new fleet is cancelled.
simstrain
Fixed it for you.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Who knew that when this thread was originally created, the replacement we would be talking about is bustitution. Maybe we should he looking at what makes a great long range bus coach.

Trainlink or whatever its called needs to think outside the box it has backed itself in.

Bustitution till the new fleet.
Fixed it for you.
djf01

I'll unfix it for you DJF. The new fleet is happening. It isn't being cancelled. What is happening is that the XPT's are breaking now and there is no spare rolling stock and so expect the melbourne xpt to be cancelled. What will happen then is that nsw trainlink will only go as far as Albury when the new fleet arrives.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
You will need to be on the XPT appreciation group to see this but ask to join and you should have no problems.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2709294472423257&set=pcb.2410964705625679&type=3&theater
So the conclusion to all the duct tape and wires on the XPT power car in this image is that when you travel on an XPT from now on you are travelling on a working test and analysis vehicle.

Also expect that if the results are what nsw trainling think they will be that permanent bustitution could be occuring and don't expect the new fleet to travel South of Albury.
simstrain

Gladys and Dan or their representatives will get together over a cuppa at some stage in your train acquisition process and discuss future services to Melbourne.
The crappy standard of track at the present time will have little bearing on the provision of services going forward.

Trainlink will be required by government policy to operate the service/s using whichever equipment the outcome of those discussions deems appropriate.

Mike.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

You will need to be on the XPT appreciation group to see this but ask to join and you should have no problems.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2709294472423257&set=pcb.2410964705625679&type=3&theater
So the conclusion to all the duct tape and wires on the XPT power car in this image is that when you travel on an XPT from now on you are travelling on a working test and analysis vehicle.

Also expect that if the results are what nsw trainling think they will be that permanent bustitution could be occuring and don't expect the new fleet to travel South of Albury.

Gladys and Dan or their representatives will get together over a cuppa at some stage in your train acquisition process and discuss future services to Melbourne.
The crappy standard of track at the present time will have little bearing on the provision of services going forward.

Trainlink will be required by government policy to operate the service/s using whichever equipment the outcome of those discussions deems appropriate.

Mike.
The Vinelander

No they won't because they aren't being acquired and are being built. The bi modal feature means that they will be spending more time under the overhead so expect more dubbo, griffith and bathurst services and less roving south of the border.

The XPT's are pretty much broken and they will not be able to last 4 years. Buses in the near future and when the new fleet arrives do not expect it interstate. NSW trainlink will be focusing on more services to regional nsw and not inter state. This new fleet has no sleepers either.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
You will need to be on the XPT appreciation group to see this but ask to join and you should have no problems.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2709294472423257&set=pcb.2410964705625679&type=3&theater
So the conclusion to all the duct tape and wires on the XPT power car in this image is that when you travel on an XPT from now on you are travelling on a working test and analysis vehicle.

Also expect that if the results are what nsw trainling think they will be that permanent bustitution could be occuring and don't expect the new fleet to travel South of Albury.

Gladys and Dan or their representatives will get together over a cuppa at some stage in your train acquisition process and discuss future services to Melbourne.
The crappy standard of track at the present time will have little bearing on the provision of services going forward.

Trainlink will be required by government policy to operate the service/s using whichever equipment the outcome of those discussions deems appropriate.

Mike.

No they won't because they aren't being acquired and are being built. The bi modal feature means that they will be spending more time under the overhead so expect more dubbo, griffith and bathurst services and less roving south of the border.

The XPT's are pretty much broken and they will not be able to last 4 years. Buses in the near future and when the new fleet arrives do not expect it interstate. NSW trainlink will be focusing on more services to regional nsw and not inter state. This new fleet has no sleepers either.
simstrain
If you are saying there will be less services south of the border with the new trains, you're dreaming!
  UpperQuad Locomotive Fireman

Location: 184.8 miles to Sydney
The XPT's are pretty much broken and they will not be able to last 4 years.
simstrain
Why then is the XPT fleet currently programmed for “essential maintenance”? This tender was advertised almost a year ago:

https://tenders.nsw.gov.au/sydneytrains/?event=public.rft.showArchived&RFTUUID=9477CEDC-BEC1-74DB-079B1F1C34311167
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

... It isn't being cancelled yet.
simstrain
Refixed it for you @Sims Smile
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The XPT's are pretty much broken and they will not be able to last 4 years.
Why then is the XPT fleet currently programmed for “essential maintenance”? This tender was advertised almost a year ago:

https://tenders.nsw.gov.au/sydneytrains/?event=public.rft.showArchived&RFTUUID=9477CEDC-BEC1-74DB-079B1F1C34311167
UpperQuad

superceded by the body frame cracks found and the cracked pins that grounded the fleet a little while back.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I'm not dreaming at all. I have been telling you that the plan will be to cancel the Melbourne service for some time. You can say it all you want but with these trains being made in spain with no melbourne input at all this government will want to protect this new fleet much more then what occured to the XPT fleet.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm not dreaming at all. I have been telling you that the plan will be to cancel the Melbourne service for some time. You can say it all you want but with these trains being made in spain with no melbourne input at all this government will want to protect this new fleet much more then what occured to the XPT fleet.
simstrain
1) You are dreaming

2) Those in the south of NSW actually are more likely to travel to Mel, not Sydney due to its much closer proximity, hell most people I've met from Wagga follow AFL, not NRL.

3) NSW Govt will not be re-introducing the all out all change at Albury again

4) Vic had no input to the XPT's but paid for their share, eventually

5) The South Main is the 2nd most popular corridor and also the fastest with two cities of 4-5 at either end.

6) You are still dreaming
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I'm not dreaming at all. I have been telling you that the plan will be to cancel the Melbourne service for some time. You can say it all you want but with these trains being made in spain with no melbourne input at all this government will want to protect this new fleet much more then what occured to the XPT fleet.
1) You are dreaming

2) Those in the south of NSW actually are more likely to travel to Mel, not Sydney due to its much closer proximity, hell most people I've met from Wagga follow AFL, not NRL.

3) NSW Govt will not be re-introducing the all out all change at Albury again

4) Vic had no input to the XPT's but paid for their share, eventually

5) The South Main is the 2nd most popular corridor and also the fastest with two cities of 4-5 at either end.

6) You are still dreaming
RTT_Rules

1. No I'm not.
2. It doesn't matter what they prefer. The new train fleet will stop at Albury for connection to the new vlocity service. All the more reason for Victoria to provide a service instead of NSW if they are AFL fans.
3. Yes it will. They are sick and tired of arguing with the ARTC over track quality and will have a nice and new shiny asset they will want to protect. The NSW Government is not the Federal Government and so if you want a Sydney to Melbourne service then go and seek your federal member.
4. Not with these new trains made in Spain. all of these new technologies and the lack of a sleeper points towards this being the case.
5. Those 5 million at either end is serviced perfectly by the plane and as for the in between on the rail there is maybe 200,000.
6. Still not dreaming.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

The XPT's are pretty much broken and they will not be able to last 4 years.
Why then is the XPT fleet currently programmed for “essential maintenance”? This tender was advertised almost a year ago:

https://tenders.nsw.gov.au/sydneytrains/?event=public.rft.showArchived&RFTUUID=9477CEDC-BEC1-74DB-079B1F1C34311167
UpperQuad
Essential maintance-stock up on tech screws, cable ties and duct tape.
Go to good.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Will these new Spanish trains that are obviously going to be unable to travel all the way to Melbourne possibly for engineering reasons or its too far be narrow like the new Hitachi's now operating on the Great Western Railway in UK where the train is so narrow compared to the HST which the XPT was based on that at every station an announcement has to be made to watch the gap' because of the huge step between the carriage and the platform.

Apparently the problem in the UK is that the new Hitachi sets are designed as tilting trains as well, hence their narrow construction.

Sims...the much respected and sadly mourned The Honourable Tim Fischer would be turning in his grave to learn that you alone are advocating for 'Albury all change'

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE

1. No I'm not.
2. It doesn't matter what they prefer. The new train fleet will stop at Albury for connection to the new vlocity service. All the more reason for Victoria to provide a service instead of NSW if they are AFL fans.
3. Yes it will. They are sick and tired of arguing with the ARTC over track quality and will have a nice and new shiny asset they will want to protect. The NSW Government is not the Federal Government and so if you want a Sydney to Melbourne service then go and seek your federal member.
4. Not with these new trains made in Spain. all of these new technologies and the lack of a sleeper points towards this being the case.
5. Those 5 million at either end is serviced perfectly by the plane and as for the in between on the rail there is maybe 200,000.
6. Still not dreaming.
simstrain
1. The ARTC own most of the track between Melbourne and Brisbane and fixed up the mess left by the NSW govt.

2. No way in Hell a NSW govt will reintrdouce and all out all change and you have no evidence to suggest the contrary,

3. You have a long history in RP of trying to tell country people how to live their lives, luckly the govt doesn't listen to you

4. Train doesn't need a sleeper for O/N services, old way of doing things, nice if you are willing to pay, few do and few pay to do the same on long haul flights. Note Qld no longer operates sleepers apart from Longreach which a semi tourist service, nor are there sleepers on the Adel to Mel train or the Kalgoolie service which is only slightly shorter.

EDIT: 4B, The Vic govt funds the services south of the border, so there is no need to talk to the Feds. NSW once considered to drop or reduce the XPT frequency to Brisbane for which the Qld Preimer (Beatie) stated in the media, we pay for a daily service, this will not change (which Sim's denied). Vic ironically has proven to be the savior of The Overland, so I would expect similar no less for the NE corridor as Vic has not budgeted or ordered for additional trains to replace both the N-sets and XPT services.

5. Its not Capital to Capital travel its intermediate to Capital. Run the train to Albury only and it will 75% empty from Wagga, maybe more as Albury is serviced by Qantaslink.

6. Yes, you are dreaming, again, why? Because you are again dragging irrational justifications into your argument.

EDIT: Could you imagine the 60min story on this.
They start out with video footage of the past people changing trains at Albury in the middle of the night due to the gauge issue, which the Feds resolved and NSW then gloriously ran pax services through to Mel. Now that there has been almost a $1B on duplicating the SG from Albury to Mel and other upgrades, the NSW govt despite Vic govt paying for the services south of the border decides to again truncate the service to the border so once again OAP and others can again change trains in the middle of the night.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

1. The actually don't own any of it they lease it from NSW and Victoria. The ARTC did not fix a single thing up and when they converted the timber sleepers to concrete they made things 100 times worse using the side insertion method.

2. Yes they will because rail isn't anywhere near as important in 2019 as it was in 1960. The plane and the upgraded highway have seen to this.

3. I'm not telling country people how to live. I'm telling them what is likely to happen to their rail services. They can do what they want but rail is struggling and there isn't anything you or I can do about it. The fault lies solely with the ARTC and the Highways the Federal and State Governments spent billions of dollars on.

4. It doesn't matter if the Victorian or QLD governments want to pay for something if the NSW Government can't run the train because of all the cracked XPT power cars and the 3 or so years before the new fleet arives. The maintenance base in Dubbo is also quite telling and points towards more Dubbo services which means services are going to be cut from elsewhere.

5. And so maybe it will be 75% empty but until the ARTC and the Feds get their act together and fix the rail the NSW Government will want to protect it's nice and new rolling stock.

6. Not dreaming. I am just facing reality.

7. The federal government hasn't spent $1 billion on duplicating anything on the Main south / VIC NE. What that money was spent on was making the track even worse then it was because of the method used and the failure to resolve the reason why the track is in the state it is in. Rail freight is now down to 1% of the market for freight between Sydney and Melbourne because of issues such as items falling and breaking in transit because of the roughness of the track. (https://www.railexpress.com.au/rail-freight-on-deathbed-between-melbourne-and-sydney/) XPT's and even freight trains have falling apart due to bumps. Why would the NSW Government want to repeat what has happened with the XPT to the new regional fleet.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Simtrain, just stop making stuff up.  

1.  If the trains are unable to travel south o albury due to the track condition, then they are unsafe for usage as passenger trains.
2.  they aren't going to introduce a forced change of service for all service, however in the future there may be albury terminators in addition. 3.  its popular south of albury, and makes them money, probably the least subsidised section of all the trainlink services.
4.  we don't need sleepers.  Like on airplanes, only the rich and elite will use them.  Unfortunantly the rich and elite are not using sleeper trains between sydney, melbourne and brisbane.  They fly like a normal person.  Sleepers are of no use to the those south of goulburn and north of seymour.
5.  political suicide for councillors and MP's from wagga, all the way down to around seymour.
6. Maintenance centres being outside of Sydney doesn't matter.  Qld has maryborough for the tilt trains, victoria has bendigo for velocities.  Brisbane airport has the major a330 maintenance base for qantas, while most a330 services don't go through brisbane.

You have no EVIDENCE, thats the problem
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

1. The track is pathetic and it breaks trains and it is completely unsafe just that the ARTC do not want to admit it. The XPT's are becoming increasingly unsafe but the battering they cop from the vic ne certainly doesn't help. I think the evidence will be when the ARTC stuff up again and the vic ne is even worse then before they touched it.
2. That's because there aren't going to be any services very soon the way the XPT's are breaking. Sydney to Grafton and Casino are currently coach services until further notice (most likely well in to next year if not permanently from now on). If any more XPT's break down which service do you think will be coachstituted next? Brisbane or Melbourne?
3. No train services in this country make money.
4. While the sleeper doesn't bother me the day tripper was so much more comfortable (even with the bumps) then even a first class seat. Unless the first class seats are significantly better then what currently exists there will be calls for the sleeper.
5. Luckily for the NSW premier those people don't vote in NSW.
6. I still think there is something more to the maintenance being moved to Dubbo and increased services on this line.
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
From the NSW government website the official position seems to be:

The new trains will improve safety, accessibility, amenities and reliability for customers who travel from Sydney to many regional centres in NSW, as well as Canberra, Melbourne and Brisbane
NSW Government
Dated 26th September 2019 https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects/current-projects/regional-rail

just saying....maybe it will change...
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Especially with this government. They also said that the new regional fleet would be made in NSW. They also said that they will not replace guards on intercity trains but conveniently never said anything about drivers.

They also said they would build the north west rail link and changed that to the north west metro. This Government has a history of blurring the line. A tender has been put out for new centre pins but in a month they could just casually cancel that tender if it is too expensive and more centre pins break.

Once the XPT service to Melbourne is replaced with coaches then don't expect them to return to rail when the new fleet arrives because they have said so.

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