XPT replacement thread 2019

 
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I will have to defer to those in the know, but I thought the Casino XPT was the one that cycled with Melb and Bris; Grafton being separate.

All I know is whats in the published timetable.
djf01
The XPT roster was published in RP and Rail Digest some time ago.

Will try and google search it as time allows.

However all 7 sets are used on all destinations excluding Dubbo and use this includes a sleeper to Grafton as a cabin sitter.

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  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Millthorpe makes for a great stop. Great to see people using the timber decking.
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
I will have to defer to those in the know, but I thought the Casino XPT was the one that cycled with Melb and Bris; Grafton being separate.

All I know is whats in the published timetable.
The XPT roster was published in RP and Rail Digest some time ago.

Will try and google search it as time allows.

However all 7 sets are used on all destinations excluding Dubbo and use this includes a sleeper to Grafton as a cabin sitter.
RTT_Rules
Yep. There was a 2002 article in RD 'Xtra Precise Timing' that laid out the diagram for the XPTs and how highly utilised they are. That was also pre-truncation of the Murwillumbah train back to Casino in 2004 also.
They get pushed hard and don't have a lot of down time.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I will have to defer to those in the know, but I thought the Casino XPT was the one that cycled with Melb and Bris; Grafton being separate.

All I know is whats in the published timetable.
The XPT roster was published in RP and Rail Digest some time ago.

Will try and google search it as time allows.

However all 7 sets are used on all destinations excluding Dubbo and use this includes a sleeper to Grafton as a cabin sitter.
Yep. There was a 2002 article in RD 'Xtra Precise Timing' that laid out the diagram for the XPTs and how highly utilised they are. That was also pre-truncation of the Murwillumbah train back to Casino in 2004 also.
They get pushed hard and don't have a lot of down time.
SEMartin
We could make some adjustments for the loss of Murwilumbah and changes to Brisbane. Do you have the article?
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

The 3 car XPL did the western plains service again today. Looks like the XPTs are run off their wheels. How does a smaller XPL cope with the demand? What if there were bookings filling up the entire XPT, but the XPL was the only set available to take pax?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The 3 car XPL did the western plains service again today. Looks like the XPTs are run off their wheels. How does a smaller XPL cope with the demand? What if there were bookings filling up the entire XPT, but the XPL was the only set available to take pax?
ANR

They can put a fourth carriage on the consist if need be.
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

However all 7 sets are used on all destinations excluding Dubbo and use this includes a sleeper to Grafton as a cabin sitter.
RTT_Rules
The current 7 day cycle is detailed on Wikipedia, and is as you say.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

I thought it was my imagination, but I must have seen a 4 car XPL bound for Dubbo last week. Today was definitely 3 cars.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I thought it was my imagination, but I must have seen a 4 car XPL bound for Dubbo last week. Today was definitely 3 cars.
ANR

Xplorers can be built up or down just the same as XPT's can depending on requirements.
  matthewg Train Controller

I thought it was my imagination, but I must have seen a 4 car XPL bound for Dubbo last week. Today was definitely 3 cars.

Xplorers can be built up or down just the same as XPT's can depending on requirements.
simstrain
Or the availability of rolling stock. Those XPL cars had to come from somewhere.
Presumably, they came out of the maintenance reserve, so while the XPTs are short, the XPLs are not getting their full programmed maintenance as they are out subbing for XPTs instead of being in the workshop.

With the XPT replacements finally announced, the maintenance centre has probably been told not to spend on expensive or long lived parts, but 'make do' and 'life extend'. This never bodes well for reliability.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

No reason or rhyme, but XPT sets have been run on central west service for the last couple of days. I can only assume the power cars have been needed elsewhere, rather than taken off for maintenance.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

No reason or rhyme, but XPT sets have been run on central west service for the last couple of days. I can only assume the power cars have been needed elsewhere, rather than taken off for maintenance.
ANR

wrong. XPT's are either broken down, in maintenance or in service. If the Dubbo service is an XPT then it means that there are enough power cars to run the service as a WT.
  QSK19 Beginner

I thought it was my imagination, but I must have seen a 4 car XPL bound for Dubbo last week. Today was definitely 3 cars.

Xplorers can be built up or down just the same as XPT's can depending on requirements.
Or the availability of rolling stock. Those XPL cars had to come from somewhere.
Presumably, they came out of the maintenance reserve, so while the XPTs are short, the XPLs are not getting their full programmed maintenance as they are out subbing for XPTs instead of being in the workshop.

With the XPT replacements finally announced, the maintenance centre has probably been told not to spend on expensive or long lived parts, but 'make do' and 'life extend'. This never bodes well for reliability.
matthewg
Your last comment totally incorrect
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I thought it was my imagination, but I must have seen a 4 car XPL bound for Dubbo last week. Today was definitely 3 cars.

Xplorers can be built up or down just the same as XPT's can depending on requirements.
Or the availability of rolling stock. Those XPL cars had to come from somewhere.
Presumably, they came out of the maintenance reserve, so while the XPTs are short, the XPLs are not getting their full programmed maintenance as they are out subbing for XPTs instead of being in the workshop.

With the XPT replacements finally announced, the maintenance centre has probably been told not to spend on expensive or long lived parts, but 'make do' and 'life extend'. This never bodes well for reliability.
matthewg
This is one of the reasons why I strongly supported the move toward a single platform fleet. Currently both fleets are too small to support each other, meanwhile they have a dozen XPT pax cars basically out of service simply because there is not enough locos.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

51 endeavours / xplorers should be a big enough fleet to survive. Convert them into electrics and extend the overhead to bomaderry, moss vale and bathurst.
  AMEX'D Beginner

Converting the current DMU fleet into electrics would be nonsence.
They have maintence issues and are not of the best or user friendly design.

Extending the 1500 to areas which are growing in populations has merit and I agree with that statement
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Methinks the XPT pax cars should be hooked up to a pointy loco like an EL, RL or AN class with the appropriate livery add a power van and they're in business. It will keep the XPT going until the grateful Spanish workforce delivers our CAF trains. I have said before that the pensioners will not notice the change.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
51 endeavours / xplorers should be a big enough fleet to survive. Convert them into electrics and extend the overhead to bomaderry, moss vale and bathurst.
simstrain
Conversion of the XPL/END to sparks would be basically gutting the whole train. The SA's gave up on the 3000/3100 conversion project and they were made with this in mind.

The opportunity is with the unused XPT cars, they just need a noisy bit, a clean and good to go. The Dubbo XPT service is probably an easy target but other wise one of the Canberra XPL's being removed and converted to a XPT with loco.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Converting the current DMU fleet into electrics would be nonsence.
They have maintence issues and are not of the best or user friendly design.

Extending the 1500 to areas which are growing in populations has merit and I agree with that statement
AMEX'D

Only the XPT is having serious maintenance issues. The xplorers and Endeavours share there bones with the vlocity and the adelaide A-city which is electric and so converting to electric is not as nonsense as you think. The solar train in byron is a diesel train with a similar design that has been converted to run on electricity.

Just because SA is not converting an old diesel to electric is no reason why NSW shouldn't, couldn't or wouldn't do it.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Methinks the XPT pax cars should be hooked up to a pointy loco like an EL, RL or AN class with the appropriate livery add a power van and they're in business. It will keep the XPT going until the grateful Spanish workforce delivers our CAF trains. I have said before that the pensioners will not notice the change.
ANR

NSW doesn't do loco hauled any more so this is most definitely not happening.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Methinks the XPT pax cars should be hooked up to a pointy loco like an EL, RL or AN class with the appropriate livery add a power van and they're in business. It will keep the XPT going until the grateful Spanish workforce delivers our CAF trains. I have said before that the pensioners will not notice the change.

NSW doesn't do loco hauled any more so this is most definitely not happening.
simstrain
Why, would it upset you to be like Victoria for a bit?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Methinks the XPT pax cars should be hooked up to a pointy loco like an EL, RL or AN class with the appropriate livery add a power van and they're in business. It will keep the XPT going until the grateful Spanish workforce delivers our CAF trains. I have said before that the pensioners will not notice the change.

NSW doesn't do loco hauled any more so this is most definitely not happening.
simstrain
They don't doesn't equal they cannot. Just a matter of signing a contract. However the locos purchased in recent decade or two I would say never had pax haulage in mind and hence are there locos with HEP etc to uterlise? Or will some serious money need to be spent to upgrade.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Methinks the XPT pax cars should be hooked up to a pointy loco like an EL, RL or AN class with the appropriate livery add a power van and they're in business. It will keep the XPT going until the grateful Spanish workforce delivers our CAF trains. I have said before that the pensioners will not notice the change.

NSW doesn't do loco hauled any more so this is most definitely not happening.
Why, would it upset you to be like Victoria for a bit?
potatoinmymouth

Why would we want to go back to year 1950 for?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

They don't doesn't equal they cannot. Just a matter of signing a contract. However the locos purchased in recent decade or two I would say never had pax haulage in mind and hence are there locos with HEP etc to utilise? Or will some serious money need to be spent to upgrade.
RTT_Rules

Sydney trains doesn't own any loco's aside from a couple of 48's for moving rolling stock around for maintenance. They also haven't purchased any locomotives since selling the freight part of the business to PN.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Methinks the XPT pax cars should be hooked up to a pointy loco like an EL, RL or AN class with the appropriate livery add a power van and they're in business. It will keep the XPT going until the grateful Spanish workforce delivers our CAF trains. I have said before that the pensioners will not notice the change.

NSW doesn't do loco hauled any more so this is most definitely not happening.
Why, would it upset you to be like Victoria for a bit?

Why would we want to go back to year 1950 for?
simstrain

Nobody mentioned going back to steam hauled...

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