Ultima Container Siding and Hay Traffic

 
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Nonetheless this is a good thing.

These decisions were made before the government decided to pause the SG conversion works.  So going SG and lifting the line TALs made people think and move back to rail.

Also, we don't know what compensation the site owners have been given as a result of this policy change.

Sponsored advertisement

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I think this is my point about Mildura, the government needs to create a new intermodal terminal at Redcliffs or Irymple where there is land at the old yard area.  Merbein is at capacity is what I am hearing with a daily train.

GTS and also Pickerings would also be wanting to access the new terminal.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think this is my point about Mildura, the government needs to create a new intermodal terminal at Redcliffs or Irymple where there is land at the old yard area.  Merbein is at capacity is what I am hearing with a daily train.

GTS and also Pickerings would also be wanting to access the new terminal.
bevans
I don't think a government owned terminal is the way to go.  But one owned by the local freight distributors/collectors is - perhaps GTS and Pickerings could work together on one?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Ok crew, I've been wondering what this hay export mob is all about, unleashed the bloodhounds and have come up with this;

Pentarch Agricultural export hay plant for Ultima.

A NEW export hay plant will be built near Ultima by Pentarch Agricultural.

The company, which operates an export hay plant in Western Australia, plans to open a facility opposite GrainCorp’s site on the Manangatang rail line at Ultima in 2018.

The plant, which would operate under the subsidiary name Mallee Hay, planned to process and export up to 40,000 tonnes a year of containerised hay to Asian markets and employ up to 15 people, the company said.

Pentarch Agricultural is a fully owned subsidiary of privately owned company Pentarch Holdings, which also operates companies that sell forestry products and supplies and disposes of ammunition.

The Pentarch Group chief executive Simon Yuncken, who oversees Pentarch Agricultural, confirmed some hay would be purchased this season at Ultima, however there would be no hay processed until 2018.


https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/agribusiness/cropping/pentarch-agricultural-export-hay-plant-for-ultima/news-story/64307a5a070d645e38bd8f053fc5ba70

And key part to it all, although the wheels are rather wobbly;

The final stage would involve construction of a rail container loading facility ready for a production to start in early 2018.

The company hopes project conclusion will coincide with completion of the Victorian Government’s upgrade of the Manangatang rail line under the $416 million Murray Basin Rail Project.

Mr Yuncken said the site near Ultima was chosen for several reasons, including being on the rail line to transport hay to port.

He said Pentarch Agricultural’s “expertise is in hay pressing and marketing” and the Narrogin, WA, plant processed about 80-100,000 tonnes of export hay.


Company's link; http://www.pentarch.com.au/pentarch_agriculture/who_we_are.html

Couple of other links here;

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/4763734/big-boost-for-ultima/

https://3sh.com.au/articles/ultimas-investment/

So Dan has been in amoungst things again, assisting with funding, how says Dan is city sentric.

BigShunter.

an addition; https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sowing-the-seeds-of-success-for-ultima/ oi pimm, your usually pulling these out.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

A shame it's started 12 months later than originally planned though....
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Cant help drought tho....
  sthyer Deputy Commissioner

At 3 1/2 hours to travel from Korong Vale to Ultima, it's not a fast train service. I wonder how summer WOLOs will affect things? It's hardly something for a Government to crow about, they're just squeezing just a little more blood from the ballast on completely life expired infrastructure.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
A good news story for rail is always guaranteed to bring out the whingers in force.

I am told from a reliable source this has been achieved despite it not falling under the Mode Shift Incentive Scheme.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

At 3 1/2 hours to travel from Korong Vale to Ultima, it's not a fast train service. I wonder how summer WOLOs will affect things? It's hardly something for a Government to crow about, they're just squeezing just a little more blood from the ballast on completely life expired infrastructure.
sthyer
It's more than three hours faster than the goods trains in the 1960s. Admittedly they were roadside goods, so were allowed time to shunt. The DERM back then took 2h45m or thereabouts for the trip. This line was only every a branch line, unlike Mildura which used to have some pretense of being a main-line.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
A good news story for rail is always guaranteed to bring out the whingers in force.

I am told from a reliable source this has been achieved despite it not falling under the Mode Shift Incentive Scheme.
bingley hall
Well it was probably expected to be run using the SG fleet (probably of QUBE) which i wager is a lower cost per tkm fleet to operate.  With low enough operating cost as the MB plan was supposed to deliver, more is possible without MSIS.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A good news story for rail is always guaranteed to bring out the whingers in force.

I am told from a reliable source this has been achieved despite it not falling under the Mode Shift Incentive Scheme.
bingley hall

Shows what can be achieved when working with business directly.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Industries with a siding down work and work well something ARTC has forgotten.

Who paid for the siding hopefully it was V/Line.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The last hay train was an UP via Bunbury Saturday morning.  Nothing outbound since then according to Bunbury.  Would anyone like us to pull a video or 2?

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2148069.htm#2148069
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Industries with a siding down work and work well something ARTC has forgotten.

Who paid for the siding hopefully it was V/Line.
freightgate
bevans and Bill, does it really matter who paid for what, I've attached the press release from the Govt, they ( the govt ) have assisted in helping to secure ( thanks pimm ) $4.5 mill in the project.

Any chance of reading attached articles.............

BigShunter.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

they ( the govt ) swilled $4.5 mill into the project.
BigShunter

Shunter, that's not how I read the press release - it says "secured a $4.5 million investment from" the private operator, which I take to mean the private operator paid for the whole thing.

Also, I'm not sure why Bill would say "hopefully it was V/Line" paid for the siding: if private industry is prepared to pay for their own siding AND operate a service without ongoing subsidy, then that's an excellent outcome and there's no reason the taxpayer should be forcing cash down their throat! Restricting the taxpayer's costs to the indirect subsidy of the difference between track access fees and whatever it costs to keep the line open is a perfectly sound arrangement.

And indeed, to all hose having a whinge about why it's not perfect, who cares exactly? The train's running, it's viable for the operator, there's trucks off the road, and it justifies keeping the line open long term. No one loses.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
The plan is to run this service twice a week or more.

Although the Manangatang line will be shut for two weeks for urgent remedial work to be done asap (ie. Spend some of the $23 million as mentioned above).
Carnot
So it seems they will have a bash at smartening the line up, with the above, just a recap of the line and infrastructure, james posted this in another thread.

Dunolly to Manangatang

Current status                                                                               Completed status
- 247km long, broad gauge                                                             - standard gauge  
- 80, 90 and 94 lb/yard rail                                                             - predominantly continuously welded rail
- jointed track with 27.5m and 80m intervals                                   - 80, 90 and 94 lb/yard rail
- 119 level crossings                                                                       - concrete and timber sleepers  
- 48 mainline and 15 siding turnouts
- 82 bridges
- 11.6km of sidings

And thanks pimm, you are correct.

BigShunter.


pssst has anyone noticed x31 has disappeared or been absent for a month.........Shocked
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I saw an important proof point if V/line had provided the siding rather than someone else. Clone are responsible for getting traffic into the network or facilitating it and it is important to see if the government is pro rail.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Vline would surely have paid for the mainline points and perhaps the operator the rest?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
My sister tells me Pickering also load a lot out of robinvale.
  Richard stroker Locomotive Driver

Hey Shunter , didn't x31 get scrapped along with the other x's
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Pickering Transport Group apparently have Cold Store Warehouse and General Warehouse Facilities in Buronga(across the River my Midura), Robinvale and Swan Hill. These are within a short drive from Ultima, so it wouldn't surprise me if they have taken up the option of spare slots on offer by QUBE. Which is most likely a win-win for all involved.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Pickering Transport Group apparently have Cold Store Warehouse and General Warehouse Facilities in Buronga(across the River my Midura), Robinvale and Swan Hill. These are within a short drive from Ultima, so it wouldn't surprise me if they have taken up the option of spare slots on offer by QUBE. Which is most likely a win-win for all involved.
Jack Le Lievre
Again, this service no doubt was envisaged to operate on an SG basis.

Given the low TAL, lack of other alternatives, higher BG fleet operating cost and sometimes questionable reliability of QUBE, it will be interesting to see if it remains viable. If not, it will be evidence that BG is just not good enough and SG needs to be reprioritised.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Hey Shunter , didn't x31 get scrapped along with the other x's
Richard stroker
Ahh silly me, Dick so it was...........Razz

BigShunter.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Hey Shunter , didn't x31 get scrapped along with the other x's
Ahh silly me, Dick so it was...........Razz

BigShunter.
BigShunter
x31 is too busy with the SRHC
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Been thinking about this hay joint, could be thinking too much........but why Ultima, it's not quite the end of the earth, but sort of in the region.

Ultima is 30 - 35k south west of Swine Hill, in what you might say is heading into marginal country, be quite productive in a good season but unforgiving in an average one. If you look at the target area for  Pentarch's produce, it cover's quite a bit of the country from Ultima to must be nearly Oaklands and has a partnership with a company in Toc. So it was not unrealistic, they could have set up their processing plant over there.

However it would seem to me they have specifically targeted the Ultima site because it was going to be a Standard Gauge line. So I would say the Pentarch would be quite within their rights too say to the Govt, what the F.. is going on here, we spent $$$million to set up a plant to run on standard gauge rails, you helped us secure some of the money, so where is our standard gauge train, not a good look for the Govt.

So reckon the pressure will be on big time to get the conversion happening sooner rather than later, not to mention other traffic that is now taking advantage of the new service.

I also wonder while sniffing out an operator and Qube was on the lead, whether Qube had already been on the scent of other available traffic, it would almost seem, so.

Interesting times ahead and well done to Pentarch and Ultima.

BigShunter.

Sponsored advertisement

Display from: