Ultima Container Siding and Hay Traffic

 
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
My uncle who is in the know has said something about containerized hay being moved from Ultima on the Manangatang line. Anybody have anymore info? Not sure how likely and when this would start up.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My uncle who is in the know has said something about containerized hay being moved from Ultima on the Manangatang line. Anybody have anymore info? Not sure how likely and when this would start up.
cbinyon

This is exciting and assume export?
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
I will have to confirm with him, I'm unsure
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

My uncle who is in the know has said something about containerized hay being moved from Ultima on the Manangatang line. Anybody have anymore info? Not sure how likely and when this would start up.
cbinyon
I've heard decent rumours kicking around about this for a while now.  I also heard that a siding might be built because V/line doesn't want direct loading of containers onto the train while it's on the mainline.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My uncle who is in the know has said something about containerized hay being moved from Ultima on the Manangatang line. Anybody have anymore info? Not sure how likely and when this would start up.
I've heard decent rumours kicking around about this for a while now.  I also heard that a siding might be built because V/line doesn't want direct loading of containers onto the train while it's on the mainline.
Carnot

A siding, well that is 5 years in Victoria.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
My uncle who is in the know has said something about containerized hay being moved from Ultima on the Manangatang line. Anybody have anymore info? Not sure how likely and when this would start up.
I've heard decent rumours kicking around about this for a while now.  I also heard that a siding might be built because V/line doesn't want direct loading of containers onto the train while it's on the mainline.
Carnot
Why not?  Its a low use branch line - if it stops one train I would be surprised.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I've heard decent rumours kicking around about this for a while now.  I also heard that a siding might be built because V/line doesn't want direct loading of containers onto the train while it's on the mainline.
Why not?  Its a low use branch line - if it stops one train I would be surprised.
james.au
Because this is Victoria. Simples.

BG
  woodford Chief Commissioner

My uncle who is in the know has said something about containerized hay being moved from Ultima on the Manangatang line. Anybody have anymore info? Not sure how likely and when this would start up.
I've heard decent rumours kicking around about this for a while now.  I also heard that a siding might be built because V/line doesn't want direct loading of containers onto the train while it's on the mainline.

A siding, well that is 5 years in Victoria.
bevans
Depends on how enthuseastic they are, It will not cost much with second hand points and track. In Benalla, the local track gang installed a set of points and 500 metres track in 5 days. Signalling will unlikely be an issue as they are probably using the same occupancy system as the Oaklands line, where a train gets soul occupancy of a whole section of the line, so signalling is not required.

woodford
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Depends on how enthuseastic they are, It will not cost much with second hand points and track. In Benalla, the local track gang installed a set of points and 500 metres track in 5 days. Signalling will unlikely be an issue as they are probably using the same occupancy system as the Oaklands line, where a train gets soul occupancy of a whole section of the line, so signalling is not required.

woodford
woodford
Which begs the question, why do they need a siding in the first place? V/Line worried that the ghost of Gangers past on a trike might run into a train loading on the mainline which has total occupancy?

BG
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Depends on how enthuseastic they are, It will not cost much with second hand points and track. In Benalla, the local track gang installed a set of points and 500 metres track in 5 days. Signalling will unlikely be an issue as they are probably using the same occupancy system as the Oaklands line, where a train gets soul occupancy of a whole section of the line, so signalling is not required.

woodford
Which begs the question, why do they need a siding in the first place? V/Line worried that the ghost of Gangers past on a trike might run into a train loading on the mainline which has total occupancy?

BG
BrentonGolding
Short term thinking. This was done in NSW during the Rail Access Corporation era in several locations. Sometimes now they cause delays
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Depends on how enthuseastic they are, It will not cost much with second hand points and track. In Benalla, the local track gang installed a set of points and 500 metres track in 5 days. Signalling will unlikely be an issue as they are probably using the same occupancy system as the Oaklands line, where a train gets soul occupancy of a whole section of the line, so signalling is not required.

woodford
Which begs the question, why do they need a siding in the first place? V/Line worried that the ghost of Gangers past on a trike might run into a train loading on the mainline which has total occupancy?

BG
BrentonGolding
Probably because if they do mainline loading regularly in NSW it's not good enough to be done down here Rolling Eyes
It shouldn't be hard though. Plop down a couple of new block point posts, send out a circular and make sure the reacher-stacker and/or forklift operators have a VLine track safety induction.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Short term thinking. This was done in NSW during the Rail Access Corporation era in several locations. Sometimes now they cause delays
Lockspike
Mine or theirs?

This line sees very little traffic. Get something moving on it, if it becomes a problem then fix the problem later. At least you get some revenue happening where now there is none. But oh no, not in Victoria. Instead we bleed the public purse for more $$$ to build a siding (or more likely try to charge the user who instead chooses to use Road).

A solution going looking for a problem.

BG
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Short term thinking. This was done in NSW during the Rail Access Corporation era in several locations. Sometimes now they cause delays
Mine or theirs?

This line sees very little traffic. Get something moving on it, if it becomes a problem then fix the problem later. At least you get some revenue happening where now there is none. But oh no, not in Victoria. Instead we bleed the public purse for more $$$ to build a siding (or more likely try to charge the user who instead chooses to use Road).

A solution going looking for a problem.

BG
BrentonGolding
BG, I understand the enabling of extra (some?) traffic as cheaply as possible. This was the thinking in NSW at the time. Also at the time I thought, 'this can cause problems', and so it come to pass. As for 'fix it when it becomes a problem', all stakeholders have long pockets and short arms
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
The grain loader at Nullawil on the Sea Lake line is on the 'main line'.
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
Either way, it will be great to see some increased traffic. Lets also hope for some decent rains in the next few months for the harvest.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
My uncle who is in the know has said something about containerized hay being moved from Ultima on the Manangatang line. Anybody have anymore info? Not sure how likely and when this would start up.
cbinyon
The latest Weekly Operational Notice states that a new private siding for the loading of hay is currently underway at Ultima. South end points at KP394.446 and the North end at 395.548.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Is it being laid in glorious BG concretes? I’m almost afraid to ask.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

My uncle who is in the know has said something about containerized hay being moved from Ultima on the Manangatang line. Anybody have anymore info? Not sure how likely and when this would start up.
The latest Weekly Operational Notice states that a new private siding for the loading of hay is currently underway at Ultima. South end points at KP394.446 and the North end at 395.548.
jakar
MMMM....me thinks that Sea Lake and Mangytang are going to remain BG  for several years to come. Just my opinion.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
any idea who'd be operating the hay trains?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
any idea who'd be operating the hay trains?
Dangersdan707

Good news to see some additional traffic.  Will it be containerised or in open wagons?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

any idea who'd be operating the hay trains?

Good news to see some additional traffic.  Will it be containerised or in open wagons?
bevans
Containerised.

Probably Qube or even SSR?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
any idea who'd be operating the hay trains?

Good news to see some additional traffic.  Will it be containerised or in open wagons?
Containerised.

Probably Qube or even SSR?
Carnot
QUBE
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
https://www.facebook.com/190123275244756/posts/308808446709571?sfns=xmo
Dangersdan707

Shows some of the track laying there in the dirt already tied.



If they are SG then it is the original track.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

That looks like gauge convertible sleepers.  Plan for the future (maybe?).
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The Hay Traffic has commenced, Running under Qube. will be running around twice a week

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