Boris Johnson - New British PM

 
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

BoJo is PM.

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Cant say i'm surprised at all on this one.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Only 2mths after May resigned, Brits move fast!
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
It says a lot about the intellectual capacity of Conservative Party members, who are pandering to the lowest common denominator, not that Labour is an acceptable alternative.  He's a clown, just like Trump.  What hope do we have for Western Democracy when we have these incompetents pulling the strings?  It's enough to drive you to drink.  In fact, I think I'll imbibe on another scotch or two.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It says a lot about the intellectual capacity of Conservative Party members, who are pandering to the lowest common denominator, not that Labour is an acceptable alternative.  He's a clown, just like Trump.  What hope do we have for Western Democracy when we have these incompetents pulling the strings?  It's enough to drive you to drink.  In fact, I think I'll imbibe on another scotch or two.br
Transtopic
Why do you think Labor is not an acceptable alternative? Corbyn despite how the media portrays him has essentially saved British labor from the downward spiral it's been going on since it lost the election in 2010 has made it the largest political party in Western Europe. Perhaps it's the Allegations of anti-semitism?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It says a lot about the intellectual capacity of Conservative Party members, who are pandering to the lowest common denominator, not that Labour is an acceptable alternative.  He's a clown, just like Trump.  What hope do we have for Western Democracy when we have these incompetents pulling the strings?  It's enough to drive you to drink.  In fact, I think I'll imbibe on another scotch or two.br
Why do you think Labor is not an acceptable alternative? Corbyn despite how the media portrays him has essentially saved British labor from the downward spiral it's been going on since it lost the election in 2010 has made it the largest political party in Western Europe. Perhaps it's the Allegations of anti-semitism?
Dangersdan707
Many Brits have serious problems with Corbyn's inability and failure to rein in the anti-Semites within the Labour Party:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-bbc-documentary-leadership-zionism-jews-a9001366.html
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
james.au
And the extreme "wokeism" of the Left will keep these guys in charge for a while....
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
And the extreme "wokeism" of the Left will keep these guys in charge for a while....
Carnot
I put it down to the self interest of large corporates (and media like Murdoch) more than anything the left does.  I see the left as a reaction to the dominance of the right, not the other way around.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
And the extreme "wokeism" of the Left will keep these guys in charge for a while....
I put it down to the self interest of large corporates (and media like Murdoch) more than anything the left does.  I see the left as a reaction to the dominance of the right, not the other way around.
james.au
The dominance of the Right at the present time is a reaction to the lunatic leftism and fanatic identity politics of the elite...
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It says a lot about the intellectual capacity of Conservative Party members, who are pandering to the lowest common denominator, not that Labour is an acceptable alternative.  He's a clown, just like Trump.  What hope do we have for Western Democracy when we have these incompetents pulling the strings?  It's enough to drive you to drink.  In fact, I think I'll imbibe on another scotch or two.br
Why do you think Labor is not an acceptable alternative? Corbyn despite how the media portrays him has essentially saved British labor from the downward spiral it's been going on since it lost the election in 2010 has made it the largest political party in Western Europe. Perhaps it's the Allegations of anti-semitism?
Many Brits have serious problems with Corbyn's inability and failure to rein in the anti-Semites within the Labour Party:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-bbc-documentary-leadership-zionism-jews-a9001366.html
Carnot
Thanks
I did ask about the allegations.
It's interesting that some on both sides of politics confuse Legitimate criticisms of Israel or being anti-zionist with straight out anti-semitism. Its possible to be anti-zionist but not anti-Semitic. The Main reason that many I think are being dubbed as 'anti Semitic' is due to the criticism of Israel's Neo-apartheid over Palestine. The Comment by Now expelled member Ken Livingston Claiming hitler created Israel and was a zionist was outrageous. Then again, there are the Pro Israel lobby that generally fan the flames of allegations.

Anyhow, Labour is attempting to purge them all out
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-meeting-shadow-cabinet-a9016351.html
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
james.au
Could have been worse in terms of inspiration.

Trump, Johnson and Shorten.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The dominance of the Right at the present time is a reaction to the lunatic leftism and fanatic identity politics of the elite...
Carnot
Correct, its a reaction to the Traditionally left Parties jumping on the Identity politics bandwagon, ignoring there base and who they should stand for, the common man and numbing/getting rid of Capitalism. The Meme I sent you in your PM's Months ago shows how both sides abuse identity politics. (can't be bothered reposting it)

I put it down to the self interest of large corporates (and media like Murdoch) more than anything the left does. I see the left as a reaction to the dominance of the right, not the other way around.
James.au
Also somewhat correct, media at the last election hammered Labour (here and in the former Mother country. As I've said Corbyn's labour has gone in a different area heading back to its root of Nationalising and Welfare with a foot in the identity politics wagon. Shifted to the left economically as well, unlike our neo-liberal sellouts.
Our Labor could learn from British labour and as the Leader of the Cashed up hippies here says 'You can't beat the right by copying them'

Anyway Nothing surprising with Boris winning, Move along
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
Could have been worse in terms of inspiration.

Trump, Johnson and Shorten.
michaelgm
Add Morrison, May and Hillary. They all are
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
Could have been worse in terms of inspiration.

Trump, Johnson and Shorten.
michaelgm
I was more inspired by the Labour party than i was by the LNP at the last election.  Key was the Federal ICAC which in my view was sorely needed.  The entire LNP alternative was nothing.  Literally nothing, no policies except tax cuts which we are going to regret in a few years and have been shown to be ineffective in stimulating economic growth.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

James.au.

Federal ICAC. NOW. Bring it on.
Labors policies would have a sizeable $$ impact on me personally, yet my preferred option, and voted as such.
LNP Policy was simply not being BS, and tax cuts, delivered in the future.

Inspiration, ever watched question time, with Bill?

My question is to the Prime Minister, ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
James.au.

Federal ICAC. NOW. Bring it on.
Labors policies would have a sizeable $$ impact on me personally, yet my preferred option, and voted as such.
LNP Policy was simply not being BS, and tax cuts, delivered in the future.

Inspiration, ever watched question time, with Bill?

My question is to the Prime Minister, ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
michaelgm
Our system shouldn't be about the leader but the whole party and its policies.

The policies of Labour were in my view more responsible and addressing some issues that we need to address, instead of doing nothing about them. Key for me was Federal ICAC, any policy that constrains politicians to act more towards the best interest of the public is a good policy.

The Fed government has too few checks and balances on their actions.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
And the extreme "wokeism" of the Left will keep these guys in charge for a while....
I put it down to the self interest of large corporates (and media like Murdoch) more than anything the left does.  I see the left as a reaction to the dominance of the right, not the other way around.
The dominance of the Right at the present time is a reaction to the lunatic leftism and fanatic identity politics of the elite...
Carnot

Johnson - educated at Eton and Oxford and you say the elites are part of the problem Laughing
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It says a lot about the intellectual capacity of Conservative Party members, who are pandering to the lowest common denominator, not that Labour is an acceptable alternative.  He's a clown, just like Trump.  What hope do we have for Western Democracy when we have these incompetents pulling the strings?  It's enough to drive you to drink.  In fact, I think I'll imbibe on another scotch or two.br
Why do you think Labor is not an acceptable alternative? Corbyn despite how the media portrays him has essentially saved British labor from the downward spiral it's been going on since it lost the election in 2010 has made it the largest political party in Western Europe. Perhaps it's the Allegations of anti-semitism?
Many Brits have serious problems with Corbyn's inability and failure to rein in the anti-Semites within the Labour Party:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-bbc-documentary-leadership-zionism-jews-a9001366.html
Carnot

I doubt whether any of the oiks that voted for Brexit give a stuff about anti-semitism in the UK Labour party.

As I have mentioned in other threads, and as Dan has rightly pointed out the attacks on anti-semites, is largely a manufactured attack to silence any criticism of Israeli policies in the West Bank and Gaza.

Anti Arab abuse which is a frequent and convenient tactic of the right, except when they are selling arms to them, is also anti-Semitic behaviour - it's just that the Israelis currently have their PR people working overtime in promoting the brand as their own.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
And the extreme "wokeism" of the Left will keep these guys in charge for a while....
I put it down to the self interest of large corporates (and media like Murdoch) more than anything the left does.  I see the left as a reaction to the dominance of the right, not the other way around.
The dominance of the Right at the present time is a reaction to the lunatic leftism and fanatic identity politics of the elite...

Johnson - educated at Eton and Oxford and you say the elites are part of the problem Laughing
bingley hall
I was told over the weekend that the Cameron cabinet was made up of about half or more Eton and Oxford/Cambridge people....
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I was told over the weekend that the Cameron cabinet was made up of about half or more Eton and Oxford/Cambridge people....
james.au
Yeah but Boris like Trump is somewhat of an outsider. It's true that he did all the right conservative party channels to get where he is but he wasn't the establishment's preferred choice - he's mentioned a hard Brexit as a distinct option he wants to pursue and this (frankly) sends the business establishment into meltdown.

Also Boris was elected by his party on the promise to get the job done which (after all) Theresa May failed miserably at.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Oh please! Look at his past and you'll see that Boris is as much of an insider as the Tories have ever had.

The House of Commons is unlikely to back a no-deal Brexit, so I wonder whether perhaps he's been elected with the deliberate intention of not getting things done through his inability to bring people together and make a deal?

Putting off Brexit means putting off the economic collapse of the UK, putting off the breakup of the UK and putting off the resumption of The Troubles. I can see why the business community would be happy with an egomaniac who will go too hard on Brexit and achieve nothing, as opposed to someone who has the ability to be the adult in the room who would bring people together and get a Brexit deal over the line.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Oh please! Look at his past and you'll see that Boris is as much of an insider as the Tories have ever had.

The House of Commons is unlikely to back a no-deal Brexit, so I wonder whether perhaps he's been elected with the deliberate intention of not getting things done through his inability to bring people together and make a deal?
justapassenger
It's a totally outsider idea, he's indicated that he's willing to prorate parliament to get it through rather than have another referendum which would be frankly much worse in my opinion.

The greatest fear of the pro-globalists is that the UK will exit the EU and thrive as a consequence - it's true that unemployment has gone down in the UK with the slowing of immigration. I don't believe any of your alarmist rubbish about a hard Brexit.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Should he attempt to wave through a no-deal Brexit without the authority of the Parliament, I think we would find that the Queen's officers would find ways to stall it until he can demonstrate that there is confidence in his position.

The UK business community does not want any Brexit, whether it is negotiated or not. Unless they find someone who will decisively call it off or put it to a referendum with a high threshold for agreement* (Australia's double majority system could be handy) they will be happy enough with the current state of having a vaguely stated intention to leave but not feeling it strongly enough to actually pull the trigger

I would not be surprised if we see another early election, possibly early next year.


* This is the reason that we are in this mess, the original referendum had no criteria to define the meaning of the result and ensure that a narrow result would be treated as undecisive. Even Nigel Farage said that a 52-48 result should be treated as undecided!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Should he attempt to wave through a no-deal Brexit without the authority of the Parliament, I think we would find that the Queen's officers would find ways to stall it until he can demonstrate that there is confidence in his position.
justapassenger
The Queen could well decide to agree with what Boris is trying to do - it might be the only form of Brexit permitted by any sort of House of Commons. In which case the Queen might decide at 90-something to wade into matters of state and say "the man has a mandate from the Conservative Party itself and should be allowed to get it done - and I won't stand in the way". I think personally that's what our Queen would do anyway, she would elect not to interfere with Johnson's attempt to implement the public's will - there's already been a massive delay in implemented what the British public voted on in 2016 - if he can't deliver it then the opposite to what you might think could happen, British politics could implode into a non-representative sectarian government without much legitimacy itself.

Interesting times anyway.

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