PLA entering Hong Kong?

 

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is really a very worrying event.
  Big J Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Carnot. I agree with the article the tension is high. However as the article says the PLA have been in Hong Kong for some years.

With the tweet, I am sure this happens regularly as equipment and troops are rotated. I do understand with current tensions it is more sensitive than usual.

In the end of the day, I do think it would be terrible if China did not honour their treaty with UK, but ultimately Hong Kong is part of China and there would be nothing we could do about it.

What is the west going to do, attack China?

UK going to attack China?

Have trade bans with China? Would Australia give up its wealth over China?

I am sure there are many foreign offices and defence departments around the world running over scenarios at the moment.

The question is China, prepared to choke the golden goose, to have 100% sovereignty over Hong Kong? Their economy would be severely damaged, not just with Hong Kong but the whole of China.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The question is China, prepared to choke the golden goose, to have 100% sovereignty over Hong Kong? Their economy would be severely damaged, not just with Hong Kong but the whole of China.
Big J
It wouldn't really effect them too badly I think. After all they are the worlds biggest economy and already control the major economic centre of  Shanghai.

People seem to forget the that the PRC has Defacto control over Hong Kong and some naively think it's independent and that the PRC will respect the 'One country 2 systems' principle. It hasn't and won't and desires more and more control over it. Its Pretty much being treated as 'autonomous region' by the CCP as Tibet and Singikang are supposedly are. The PLA entered Hong Kong that day the Pom's 99 year lease on it,  that they had gotten from the Qing Expired.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
What is the west going to do, attack China?

UK going to attack China?
Big J
With Trump and Johnson, i bet they couldn't even countenance it.  Those two would panic at the prospect of being the ones who had to pull the trigger and risk being hated forever...
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

In the end of the day, I do think it would be terrible if China did not honour their treaty with UK, but ultimately Hong Kong is part of China and there would be nothing we could do about it.

The question is China, prepared to choke the golden goose, to have 100% sovereignty over Hong Kong? Their economy would be severely damaged, not just with Hong Kong but the whole of China.
Big J
The Chinese have always refused to use the word 'treaty' for the 'Joint Declaration' agreement on Hong Kong for this reason, holding to the position that they always retained full sovereignty over Hong Kong while the British leased the place and that administration would become an internal matter once administrative control was returned.

You can bet that they have every intention of at least partially dismantling the Special Administrative Region structure well before it automatically expires in 2047, but I reckon they are too savvy to do that without waiting for the right opportunity to do it without losing the advantages of Hong Kong as well as the bits they find annoying. They are masters of engineering compromises which suit them.

With Trump and Johnson, i bet they couldn't even countenance it.  Those two would panic at the prospect of being the ones who had to pull the trigger and risk being hated forever...
james.au
Neither of those two will ever enter a fair fight.

Considering that Britain can't even protect their own merchant vessels on the high seas at the moment and Trump is getting his butt kicked in the trade war with China (US-China trade deficit is over $200,000,000,000 greater per year than before he took office) it looks like we can categorically rule out these jokers going to war with China.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
More violent protests overnight again in Hong Kong.  Protests are escalating with Police overnight forcing pro-democracy protesters off the streets in their 10,000's.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
HK belongs to China since 1999, the PLA have been in HK since and have every right to go there now.

The question will we see another Tiananmen Square the answer is simply unlikely. The leadership of China know they F'ed up back then and wont repeat the same mistake.

China knows HK's financial security is only retained by keeping it arms length.

Like all good dictatorships, the people who make up the Chinese govt and draw large salaries from the same are only one mass uprising away from unemployment and potential death. Need to appease the peasantry while saving face.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

As Hong Kong is now part of China then there is only one thing that can be done by those that live there either get out while you can or stay and simply go along with what the Chinese Govt say. It is no longer a British enclave and has not been since 1999 when the British lease of the colony ran out, so really there is nothing that the Western world can do it is an internal Chinese problem and the Chinese will handle it their way just the same as any other country would. Not being negative here but just a realist.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
How did anyone think HK would be assimilated into China. Perhaps the UK thought it would work out the other way.

If China came down hard would we take HK refugees? If any came by boat? (not that we would be told).
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@James.au Boris Johnson. Really! Threaten China. He could not punch his way through a wet paper bag. Took all the credit for Ken Livingstone's initiatives whilst mayor and simply the worst foreign minister in living memory. The biggest proponent of FIGJAM (with Trump) there is. Eff Im good just ask me. But strip the mask away Johnson is just a bloviating bag of wind.

Michael
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
It does make you wonder how long Beijing can hold on for doesn't it, at the moment they are showing restraint, which is good, but for how long?, these protests have been going on for weeks and weeks now, with no sign of them abating, just tonight Beijing realised a provocative video, showing how the military would deal with the protestors, if these protests get bigger and bigger over the coming weeks, I fear what may happen...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
My overnight flight back from Hong Kong landed at 6:55 this morning. The day had been a complete shambles in Hong Kong. Transport was disrupted all over the city, and flow on effects were tremendous. My hotel went through the process of providing rooms for as many staff as possible, just so they could stay overnight and not have to struggle to get to work in the morning, meaning that the hotel could at least operate.

I had plans for my last day there, and these collapsed in a heap simply because of the difficulty of going anywhere outside walking distance.

Cathay Pacific alone cancelled or postponed dozens of flights, simply because so many workers could not get to the airport by normal means. Qantas' city check-in could not operate, and text messages went out requiring people to check in at the airport at least 3 hours before their flight times.

I simply do not see how the situation can continue to be tolerated, nor do I have the answer on how to stop it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I simply do not see how the situation can continue to be tolerated, nor do I have the answer on how to stop it.
Valvegear
Poor you. At least you're back in Australia where you can't be arrested in the middle of the night and dragged to the mainland, never heard from again.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
My overnight flight back from Hong Kong landed at 6:55 this morning. The day had been a complete shambles in Hong Kong. Transport was disrupted all over the city, and flow on effects were tremendous. My hotel went through the process of providing rooms for as many staff as possible, just so they could stay overnight and not have to struggle to get to work in the morning, meaning that the hotel could at least operate.

I had plans for my last day there, and these collapsed in a heap simply because of the difficulty of going anywhere outside walking distance.

Cathay Pacific alone cancelled or postponed dozens of flights, simply because so many workers could not get to the airport by normal means. Qantas' city check-in could not operate, and text messages went out requiring people to check in at the airport at least 3 hours before their flight times.

I simply do not see how the situation can continue to be tolerated, nor do I have the answer on how to stop it.
Valvegear
If it drags on for much longer, and the protests get more violent, I think we could well witness another Tiananmen Square type incident, but that will be a very last resort.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Poor you. At least you're back in Australia where you can't be arrested in the middle of the night and dragged to the mainland, never heard from again.
"don_dunstan"
Don shoots from the lip again. I was honest enough to say that I don't know how to handle the situation . . . enter Don whose sneering message seems to imply that he does know what to do, Go for it, Don.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Poor you. At least you're back in Australia where you can't be arrested in the middle of the night and dragged to the mainland, never heard from again.
Don shoots from the lip again. I was honest enough to say that I don't know how to handle the situation . . . enter Don whose sneering message seems to imply that he does know what to do, Go for it, Don.
Valvegear
Did I say that I knew what to do? No, I didn't. As usual you're stretching that bow.

I'm just pointing out that you have the extremely good fortune of being able to leave Hong Kong behind for the freedom of Australia - not so the people of Hong Kong who are fighting for their civil rights.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Did I say that I knew what to do? No, I didn't. As usual you're stretching that bow.
"don_dunstan"
Hint: look up the meaning of "imply".

I'm just pointing out that you have the extremely good fortune of being able to leave Hong Kong behind for the freedom of Australia - not so the people of Hong Kong who are fighting for their civil rights.
"don_dunstan"
Oh; so that's why you said, "Poor you." How strange; saying "poor you" to someone who has good fortune.Laughing

Actually, I already knew I was fortunate, but I repeat my original point:- I don't know what to do the fix the problem in Hong Kong. (I wish I did.)
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Hint: look up the meaning of "imply".
Valvegear
"Poor you. At least you're back in Australia where you can't be arrested in the middle of the night and dragged to the mainland, never heard from again."

Find the part in that sentence where I imply that I know that answer to Hong Kong's troubles.
Oh; so that's why you said, "Poor you." How strange; saying "poor you" to someone who has good fortune.
Valvegear
You were complaining most vociferously about your transport and accommodation being disrupted, and then to add insult to injury you had to (GASP!) cut your stay short by one day because of what was going on.

Again, poor you, such a brave trooper for staying there for as long as you did. Almost like the last helicopter out of Saigon kinda thing, wasn't it.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Find the part in that sentence where I imply that I know that answer to Hong Kong's troubles.
don_dunstan
Don; you're a hoot.
The implication was in your overall response to my statement that I did not know how to solve the problem, but don't you worry about it.

You were complaining most vociferously about your transport and accommodation being disrupted, and then to add insult to injury you had to (GASP!) cut your stay short by one day because of what was going on.
don_dunstan
Every bit of that sentence is total fabrication on your part. I made no complaint about the effect on me personally because there was none; none whatever.
My transport was not disrupted; the entire City's was to an extraordinary degree. I had a car organised weeks ago as part of my itinerary and was at the airport early.
My accommodation was not disrupted. As I said, the hotel's staffing had to be re-organised to cope with the situation. This was well done by the hotel people and had no effect on me.
I did not cut my stay short. I changed my original plan for the day and departed on QF30 at 2210 on Monday and landed at 0655 on Tuesday precisely as scheduled.

Almost like the last helicopter out of Saigon kinda thing, wasn't it.
don_dunstan
It was not even remotely close to it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Find the part in that sentence where I imply that I know that answer to Hong Kong's troubles.
Don; you're a hoot.
The implication was in your overall response to my statement that I did not know how to solve the problem, but don't you worry about it.
Valvegear
Again, show me where I said that, implied or explicitly stated.
Every bit of that sentence is total fabrication on your part. I made no complaint about the effect on me personally because there was none; none whatever. My transport was not disrupted; the entire City's was to an extraordinary degree.
Valvegear
What you actually said was;
I had plans for my last day there, and these collapsed in a heap simply because of the difficulty of going anywhere outside walking distance.
Valvegear
So you had plans for the last day but these 'collapsed into a heap' because you couldn't get anywhere... sounds very much to me like you're having a sook about that. Do you have a memory for things you've said outside of ten minutes? But the whinging doesn't stop there:
Cathay Pacific alone cancelled or postponed dozens of flights, simply because so many workers could not get to the airport by normal means. Qantas' city check-in could not operate, and text messages went out requiring people to check in at the airport at least 3 hours before their flight times. I simply do not see how the situation can continue to be tolerated, nor do I have the answer on how to stop it.
Valvegear
Again, sounds very much like you're having a good whine there - "can't see how the situation can continue to be tolerated". Oh my GOD, the humanity!

The fact is that I called you out on your moaning about middle class problems, all because those selfish Hong Kongers are trying to stop the encroachment of the CCP into (what's left) of their civil liberties and now you're furiously trying to back-track.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Don,

You're wasting your time. No disruption to me, one day's plans altered, left on time, and I still don't know how to solve the problem. That's a summary.

Anything else is your fevered imagination. I suggest you give it a rest.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Again, sounds very much like you're having a good whine there - "can't see how the situation can continue to be tolerated". Oh my GOD, the humanity!

The fact is that I called you out on your moaning about middle class problems, all because those selfish Hong Kongers are trying to stop the encroachment of the CCP into (what's left) of their civil liberties and now you're furiously trying to back-track.
"don_dunstan"
I'll grant you that my wording there doesn't sound good.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't protest; they must. What I mean is that the protests have to stop before the whole place is ruined. I don't know how, but as far as I can see the only mob who can stop the need for protest seems to be the Government of Hong Kong.

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