Locomotive 3001 to be restored to steam

 
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

I travelled on that tour, and I do think the cowcatcher was especially requested. I think on each of my few visits to Mudgee loco there was maybe one engine fitted with a CC. 3081 may have been a ring-in, having travelled across from Dubbo or Narrabri-Werris Creek. There were two unfenced lines north of Mudgee, Coolah and Gwabegar that may have required a CC. although there are no notes about CC in the Working Timetable for that era. 32 class were also allowed on both lines and I did not ever see a 32 class fitted with a CC. So I think you may be correct a6et, maybe the times I saw the CC fitted engine was a fluke?

Neill

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  a6et Minister for Railways

I travelled on that tour, and I do think the cowcatcher was especially requested. I think on each of my few visits to Mudgee loco there was maybe one engine fitted with a CC. 3081 may have been a ring-in, having travelled across from Dubbo or Narrabri-Werris Creek. There were two unfenced lines north of Mudgee, Coolah and Gwabegar that may have required a CC. although there are no notes about CC in the Working Timetable for that era. 32 class were also allowed on both lines and I did not ever see a 32 class fitted with a CC. So I think you may be correct a6et, maybe the times I saw the CC fitted engine was a fluke?

Neill
neillfarmer
Neil,  IIRC in one of the Byways books that dealt with the Narrabri & Moree depots, there are quite a few photo's showing CC's on engines out there, likewise many of the 30T's had a lovely variety of tenders as well, from what I have gleaned CC's were quite common on 32's on the BH line, as mentioned also the cross country lines had long distances of unfenced lines and they could have been common there, but it seems to also have been for the lighter type loco's up to the 32's, don't know for sure but I doubt that any of the SGoods engine would have had them even on those lines.

When at Enfield and where many of the loco's that were prepared for special trains, there was strict notices put out regarding the engine type, often specific engines themselves along with the prep condition of how they looked, along with specific engine numbers were requested as well. often caused issues with engine control though.  I doubt also that it was a fluke, as I said I do recollect seeing photo's of 3081 with CC, I also tend to think it worked in combo with 3387 on a Northern Tour Merriwa? not sure if it had the CC at the time or not.

 Once out into the regions was not as easy as few cleaners were employed at depots and unless an extra was needed such as the double 32's on the Wallangarra tour, as only one 32 was available at Armidale 3233 another was sent from Eveleigh 3390, while 90 was very clean it paled into significance when compared to 3233, very strange.

The Gwabegar line was unfenced in its entirety, and kangaroos where hazards as were wombats that were hard and caused issues, no CC's were found on engines working there either.  The mail to  Coona, was 30T, so was there enough room between the cc and carriage when running TF to Coona?  Coupling up to hooks would have been dangerous and extreme care needed.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

On reflection I think the CC were not a popular addition to locos, probably for safety reasons that you mention. NSWGR did have those two metal bars that came down close to the track in front of the leading wheels, many railways that had CC did not have these. As an aside I missed getting a shot of the last train to run down the street of Millmerran Qld when the CC of the engine struck level crossing timbers and required the attention of fitters from Toowoomba before it could proceed.
  a6et Minister for Railways

On reflection I think the CC were not a popular addition to locos, probably for safety reasons that you mention. NSWGR did have those two metal bars that came down close to the track in front of the leading wheels, many railways that had CC did not have these. As an aside I missed getting a shot of the last train to run down the street of Millmerran Qld when the CC of the engine struck level crossing timbers and required the attention of fitters from Toowoomba before it could proceed.
neillfarmer
From what I remember of the steam CC's they seemed to stick out slightly past the buffers, giving little space when needing to couple up hook to hook.  My memories of being shown how to couple up to Pax carriages with hooks that were not terminal cars, meaning they had the short walkway section on the end with a hooked tender was a very unpleasant experience, & no better with the carriage having an auto with D link.

You had to stop short of the set, make sure there was no hinderances on the ground such as coal, loose ballast etc. go between and set the jaw open with the Auto/Dlink, or with the screw types unwind it to allow slack, wave your engine onto the carriages and fully suppress the buffers,, then go back and get the link over the hook. On Terminal cars, you went in holding the screw coupling up and called   "ease up"  the engine came back onto the buffers and as you dropped the link over the hook, yelled stop., always making sure the drop link on the tender was dropped over, then couple air hoses and ensured the screw was tight so that when the brakes were released, and the cars sagged back the buffers were just touching.

I would imagine if engines had CC's and on double heading, trying to couple up would not have been pleasant as they were all hook types.

I can also still remember the impact on a large cow we hit out past Forbes on a 49cl, I am surprised we did not derail owing to the bounce and rolling effect that took place, the cow was sent to the side and part stuck under the small cc on the 49.  All the diesels had a small minimal outer flair on the bottom of each end, and a bit more clearance from rail height.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

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Regarding cowcatchers on Mudgee 30ts. I quickly checked my note book and found that 3081T fitted with a cowcatcher ran the Mudgee connection off The Rattler (Central West Express for younger viewers) on 10-9-1965. Somewhere I have a picture of it climbing up to Marrangaroo.
Neill (who is very glad he carried a note book back then)
Neil

Had my keyboard die on me, so had to replace with temporary one, until replacement of the other one arrives, so unable to reply to you sooner.

After my post. I had an inkling that one 30Ts did have a cow catcher later in life, I was unsure of its number but I saw photo's of the engine with the CC when it was working a tour train at the time in one of my book collection.  Some of the tours had engines specially done up for them

The allocation of 30t's for Mudgee services from what I saw were 01, 11, 75, 90, there was one other so will track it down.
I was sure I had seen 3001 with a cowcatcher before and went back to look at the following film:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope592DWceQ

This is "Doubleheaders".  3001 features in this film on a special in February 1965 with 3387, and with cowcatcher fitted.
TheFish
Fast forward to 12'45".
  DCook Beginner

Transport heritage NSW just posted a video showing the boiler having it's hydrostatic test
https://www.facebook.com/TransportHeritageNSW/videos/416427202309441/

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