Grain Harvest 2019-20

 
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Sounds like a bloody crisis.

Yeah sounds huge.

SA how locking down border even more affecting local truck movements how is the grain going to get to port with access issues?
NSWGR8022
Put it on a train?

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Sounds like a bloody crisis.

Yeah sounds huge.

SA how locking down border even more affecting local truck movements how is the grain going to get to port with access issues?
NSWGR8022

When you come up with some actual examples (tonnages etc) rather than stuff you've read about in the tabloids, please let us know.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
The big loser though would be One Rail Australia who for much of the first year of reverse grain moves had two rakes sitting at Dry Creek doing very little, it was only later in the piece they found a small niche running from SA to Moree, but even then on average only once a month.
bingley hall
Is this perhaps because the economics of shipping might have edged rail out, particularly for that grain already in the port silos?

I suspect if SG went to Toowoomba and or Dalby these economics would flip back though.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The big loser though would be One Rail Australia who for much of the first year of reverse grain moves had two rakes sitting at Dry Creek doing very little, it was only later in the piece they found a small niche running from SA to Moree, but even then on average only once a month.
Is this perhaps because the economics of shipping might have edged rail out, particularly for that grain already in the port silos?

I suspect if SG went to Toowoomba and or Dalby these economics would flip back though.
james.au

No james - most of the 2018 and 2019 harvest that would have normally gone to Port Adelaide stayed in up country silos. The grain ORA missed out on was the same grain that SSR, QUBE, PN and Aurizon were loading up to 3-4 times per week for destinations in NSW.

ORA doubly missed out - on intrastate moves to the ports (through no fault of their own) and the interstate moves.

I'm guessing most of the interstate shipping moves from SA were from the likes of Port Lincoln and Port Giles.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I'm guessing most of the interstate shipping moves from SA were from the likes of Port Lincoln and Port Giles.
bingley hall
For those who don't know that part of South Aus both the Eyre (Port Lincoln) and Yorke (Port Giles) peninsulas are large grain growing areas in their own rights. Port Lincoln was rail served by an isolated narrow gauge network up until recently but Port Giles like most of the Yorke Peninsula doesn't have rail connections due to it's geography - it is long and narrow and so it is a quick truck haul to port from pretty much anywhere and was even more so "back in the day" when the rail network was being rolled out when many more ports operated for the shipping of bulk goods https://yorkepeninsula.com.au/ports-and-jetties
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Let's see if this works eh Shunter! Much of Victoria and NSW now over 25mm for the month to date with rain forcast for much of next week

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/awap/rain/index.jsp?colour=colour&time=latest&step=0&map=totals&period=cmonth&area=md

BG
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
SA how locking down border even more affecting local truck movements how is the grain going to get to port with access issues?

When you come up with some actual examples (tonnages etc) rather than stuff you've read about in the tabloids, please let us know.
bingley hall
Some similar issues were raised by the Federal Agriculture Minister yesterday https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/pressure-ramps-up-to-resolve-cross-border-issues/12555158
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Since today marks the First Anniversary of this Thread, I thought that it was time to create a Grain Harvest 2020-21 Thread (https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2187161.htm#2187161).
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
SA how locking down border even more affecting local truck movements how is the grain going to get to port with access issues?

When you come up with some actual examples (tonnages etc) rather than stuff you've read about in the tabloids, please let us know.
Some similar issues were raised by the Federal Agriculture Minister yesterday https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/pressure-ramps-up-to-resolve-cross-border-issues/12555158
BrentonGolding

There are no doubt issues surrounding border restrictions that need to be addressed. The question was relating to how the grain will get to the ports? As the vast majority of grain in Victoria and SA goes to ports within the respective states, it is a non issue. For any cross border movement there are simple alternatives.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Some similar issues were raised by the Federal Agriculture Minister yesterday https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/pressure-ramps-up-to-resolve-cross-border-issues/12555158

There are no doubt issues surrounding border restrictions that need to be addressed. The question was relating to how the grain will get to the ports? As the vast majority of grain in Victoria and SA goes to ports within the respective states, it is a non issue. For any cross border movement there are simple alternatives.
bingley hall
Agreed, note I said similar issues, I was just trying to highlight that the various covid border restrictions are having all sorts of flow on affects that may or may not have been considered. Having family who came from the Vic/SA border area years ago I am well aware of the fact that to people down there the border is very much an abstract concept and you cross it all the time in the course of your normal life. It is the same on the Vic / NSW border and the NSW / Qld borders.
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

From my understanding the border restrictions also effect the harvesting contractors with their machinery, I was of the belief the contractors followed the harvest starting in Queensland and moved south .
Someone with a bit more knowledge of this might be helpful (BS).
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
From my understanding the border restrictions also effect the harvesting contractors with their machinery, I was of the belief the contractors followed the harvest starting in Queensland and moved south .
Someone with a bit more knowledge of this might be helpful (BS).
Richard stroker
FFS
Move to the new thread already. If only this place was still being moderated... thus this thread can be closed.  
https://Railpage.com.au/f-t11401678.htm
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
From my understanding the border restrictions also effect the harvesting contractors with their machinery, I was of the belief the contractors followed the harvest starting in Queensland and moved south .
Someone with a bit more knowledge of this might be helpful (BS).
FFS
Move to the new thread already. If only this place was still being moderated... thus this thread can be closed.  
https://Railpage.com.au/f-t11401678.htm
Dangersdan707
Dick is responding to a post in this thread so IMO better here than in a new thread where it won't make any sense

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