Regional Service Patronage

 
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

According to a video released by QR on new years eve (https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandRail/videos/582200295894382/)  they advertised that there was 770,000 trips across regional queensland in 2019.  

Does anyone have the hard data to show this?  

Because thats over 2000 people a day across not a huge amount of services.  Only 4 electric tilt train services a day, 2 SOQ serrvices, on average 1 x westlander/inlander a day, and rounding up to 1 SOTO per day.

I've been on sold out tilt train services, but i've also been on westlander with 6 other people, seen plently of electric tilts and SOQ with only around 50 people on them leaving or entering roma street.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Taking the Spirit of Queensland South tomorrow evening from Proserpine.  Will report on the utilisation of the service once we get to Brisbane Saturday.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Taking the Spirit of Queensland South tomorrow evening from Proserpine.  Will report on the utilisation of the service once we get to Brisbane Saturday.
bevans

Arrived safely into Brisbane this morning a few minutes late.  We were held up by a failed Aurizon freight train which we had to work around.

By Rocky the train is completely full according to the supervisor.  Talking more during the evening the Spirit Train is full on most trains which insufficient capacity since the withdrawl of the sunlander which could take around 700 passengers,  The Tilt train is less than 1/2.

The service was excellent in the rail bed section (car c we had) with good meals and very professional services.  Of most interest the wine was a shiraz from yes Queensland.  More pictures to come.

On another note, the supervisor advised other longer distance services are doing very well and the company is pleased.  They did say the company needs to consider putting on additional services on the NCL as these trains are at capacity.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
This is an older article but for the regional trains it probably is still reflective

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-28/rural-passenger-train-travel-westlander-inlander-subsidies/7667352
  stooge spark Train Controller

Location: My House
This is an older article but for the regional trains it probably is still reflective

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-28/rural-passenger-train-travel-westlander-inlander-subsidies/7667352
james.au
Considering the absurd amount of time the train needs to get from Brisbane to Toowoomba I'm not surprised that the Westlander gets the lack of buzzer that Tazzer has observed on his trips.

As for you Tazzer you may have to email Queensland rail with an FOI request that they may ask for.
  craigfitz1 Train Controller

Taking the Spirit of Queensland South tomorrow evening from Proserpine.  Will report on the utilisation of the service once we get to Brisbane Saturday.
bevans

The strong patronage is good to see.

But the possibility of further north coast services (in the immediate future at least) is not really feasible, unless there is more rolling stock lying around than I had thought.
Also, are they genuinely pleased with their outback patronage, including the poor old Westlander? I, for one, can't come at the idea of sitting up all night and half the next day in a pretty standard seat. Even if there was a compromise option along the lines of a budget version of the railbed, then I would seriously consider travelling again.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
This is an older article but for the regional trains it probably is still reflective

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-28/rural-passenger-train-travel-westlander-inlander-subsidies/7667352
Considering the absurd amount of time the train needs to get from Brisbane to Toowoomba I'm not surprised that the Westlander gets the lack of buzzer that Tazzer has observed on his trips.

As for you Tazzer you may have to email Queensland rail with an FOI request that they may ask for.
stooge spark
Oohhh, an FOI application is a good idea.  Tazzer PM me if you want to do this and want help.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Taking the Spirit of Queensland South tomorrow evening from Proserpine.  Will report on the utilisation of the service once we get to Brisbane Saturday.

Also, are they genuinely pleased with their outback patronage, including the poor old Westlander? I, for one, can't come at the idea of sitting up all night and half the next day in a pretty standard seat. Even if there was a compromise option along the lines of a budget version of the railbed, then I would seriously consider travelling again.
craigfitz1

This service lost its sleeper?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is an older article but for the regional trains it probably is still reflective

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-28/rural-passenger-train-travel-westlander-inlander-subsidies/7667352
james.au

Found the discussion thread we had at that time. https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2023201.htm
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Taking the Spirit of Queensland South tomorrow evening from Proserpine.  Will report on the utilisation of the service once we get to Brisbane Saturday.

Also, are they genuinely pleased with their outback patronage, including the poor old Westlander? I, for one, can't come at the idea of sitting up all night and half the next day in a pretty standard seat. Even if there was a compromise option along the lines of a budget version of the railbed, then I would seriously consider travelling again.

This service lost its sleeper?
bevans
Yes, following the Ministerial Review of 2013, the Westlander and the Inlander lost their sleepers and dining cars.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

The Inlander does appear to be doing reasonable business and usually keeps better time than the Spirit of Queensland. Extra sitting cars are still added during some school holidays - mostly for school camps coming to Townsville from the northwest.

The DTD locomotives on the Spirit of Queensland continue to be an operational weak link, each locomotive has a pair of MTU 12V396 producing 3,600hp for traction and power for the trainset, with a locomotive at each end of the trainset. The MTUs regularly fail, mostly due to overheating in North Queensland - causing consistent late running on top of any other operational issues. And they don't offer much bang for their buck particularly north of Rockhampton - this week's Watco service from Mackay to Townsville with a 37-year old 2170 locomotive averaged 77.64km/h on the 330km between Mackay and Giru. Across the same section the SOQ is timetabled to average 80.48km/h.
  Travelling Hooker Locomotive Driver

Location: Follows the weather up and down the coast
Those two tourist services each way each day to Kuranda would help bump up passenger numbers
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Those two tourist services each way each day to Kuranda would help bump up passenger numbers
Travelling Hooker
Yep, I would have said the
Electric Tilt train pulls in around 900 - 1100 a day
CTT 400 - 500 a day, the route is so long they probably get a number of seats used twice.
Kuranda - 400 - 500 a day
SOTO equivalent of less than 50 a day on average
Inlander and Westlander combined 20 a day on average combined.

Its likely the corridor to Bundy is in desperate need of an additional service and its been said for nearly 20 years the Qld govt when cheap on the RTT in only buying 2 sets and left themselves zero redundancy in the process. When the sets are in for major overall the aging 'lander cars which two locos to try and get close to the timetable are rolled out. They would be better off using an IMU to Bundy and leave the other RTT set to do Rocky.

Anyway, a 3rd ETT is needed and Rocky deserves 2 return services a day with a 3rd service to Bundy. Question of course, it won't be or unlikely to be an ETT as we know it as these trains are now 20 years old, but similar.

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