The corona virus COVID-19

 
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Looks as if the authorities in South Korea are concerned about the spread of corona from infected to non infected patients within hospital buildings.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-01-29-20-intl-hnk/index.html

It looks like we have large facilities on Christmas Island to handle the containment. The question is, have inbound travellers directly into Australia from non Asian countries crossed paths with infected people from Wuhan, somewhere in their travels abroad?

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  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Some independant schools have recently made a very good move and shown their initiative, unlike the inept government, by asking all students who have been to China within the last 2 weeks to stay home and not attend any classes.

This preventitive action will not cause any serious harm to the childrens learning, because the first week of back to school is all about getting to know each other, and the second week of back to school is all about revising content from last year.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Probably a good idea.  SBS should film it and create a new series of "Go Back to Where you Came From" so more Aussies can experience for themselves the reality of what it's like to be an asylum seeker...
Carnot
Nothing wrong with that, anyone, regardless of their nationality status coming to Australia who poses a potential threat to the country in any way, shape or form should be segregated from the main population unless their status is deemed safe to approach the main population or deported.
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
Things have taken a turn for the worst as people who have never been to China are now getting the illness too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/world/asia/coronavirus-china.amp.html
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Things have taken a turn for the worst as people who have never been to China are now getting the illness too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/world/asia/coronavirus-china.amp.html
stooge spark
Saw a great cartoon entitled "First Mexican case of Corona reported". Involved a drunken Mexican passed out next to a case of Corona beer. Think it's on Twitter.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Anthony Albanese is normally a smart politician, but today he has come out and slammed the idea of containing people on Xmas Island for 14 days, claiming that the Govt is trying to justify the reopening of the centre, (head banging emoji)!!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Anthony Albanese is normally a smart politician, but today he has come out and slammed the idea of containing people on Xmas Island for 14 days, claiming that the Govt is trying to justify the reopening of the centre, (head banging emoji)!!
lsrailfan
He's correct.

There are many options that would get the same job done with far simpler logistics.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Anthony Albanese is normally a smart politician, but today he has come out and slammed the idea of containing people on Xmas Island for 14 days, claiming that the Govt is trying to justify the reopening of the centre, (head banging emoji)!!
He's correct.

There are many options that would get the same job done with far simpler logistics.
justapassenger
Of course Albo’s correct.

See my post previous page.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Anthony Albanese is normally a smart politician, but today he has come out and slammed the idea of containing people on Xmas Island for 14 days, claiming that the Govt is trying to justify the reopening of the centre, (head banging emoji)!!
He's correct.

There are many options that would get the same job done with far simpler logistics.
Of course Albo’s correct.

See my post previous page.
michaelgm
If you see the previous pages, I've also been active in pouring cold water on suggestions that revolve around ridiculous levels of remoteness.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I think all of us except ANR have...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Anthony Albanese is normally a smart politician, but today he has come out and slammed the idea of containing people on Xmas Island for 14 days, claiming that the Govt is trying to justify the reopening of the centre, (head banging emoji)!!
He's correct.

There are many options that would get the same job done with far simpler logistics.
Of course Albo’s correct.

See my post previous page.
If you see the previous pages, I've also been active in pouring cold water on suggestions that revolve around ridiculous levels of remoteness.
justapassenger
Ambo is trying to make politics out of this and link it to detention asylum seekers,  the ongoing need for the detention centre is to help solve a problem they escalated when last in power.

Christmas Island may seem an extreme option, but as the rate of growth of this bug is still near vertical its one of the safest options. The biggest risk isn't the likely hood of the infected getting out, its those who treat getting infected when they go home every day. The govt may also be playing the legal situation of Xmas Island where it get forcefully hold people suspected of being sick easier than if on the mainland.

To date most if not all of the non-Chinese nationals who have caught this off-shore from China have I believe not died. Likely reflecting the reasonable level of health of those who had traveled to China as opposed to many of the Chinese residents of the city, aged, frail, already sick, low standard of hygiene and health care who have been exposed, immune systems failed to defeat the virus and died from the symptoms.

Reading the news story's it would appear that the WHO is not so much concerned at this time of the death rate which is low compared to MERS and SARS (same base virus, but different strains), but by the delayed incubation rate, the ease of transfer and the very slow recovery (only 133 people have been confirmed to have fully recovered). Much of which is still not fully understood.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Looks like Chris Bowen has said that the federal opposition agrees with the government plan to set up Christmas Island as a quarantine centre.

How does that fit in with "Ambos" earlier remarks about Christmas Island?

Aaron, I still think the quarantine centre should be somewhere along the TAR. Fly them into Forrest.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Further to the above, PNG has closed its borders to its Asian neighbours.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Looks like Chris Bowen has said that the federal opposition agrees with the government plan to set up Christmas Island as a quarantine centre.

How does that fit in with "Ambos" earlier remarks about Christmas Island?

Aaron, I still think the quarantine centre should be somewhere along the TAR. Fly them into Forrest.
ANR
Then where do the workers live?

Then you also need security on security. On to keep patients in, another to keep people out and another surrounding the town to keep the workers from leaving. An island is simple, the govt holds the keys to the airport, no need for another layer of fencing.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Close to 900 people died from flu in Oz last year.

Surely these containment centres are already in place Wink
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Our major public hospitals have a large flu patient intake in the winter months. They try and accommodate everyone, but some existing patients tend to be transferred to unrelated wards (to their condition) and this can lower the standard of care and treatment. I have seen it first hand, and if the numbers of corono patients shoots through the roof, I am unsure how they will be accommodated. Entire wards will need to be evacuated to allow for corono pax. What will happen to the existing pax? Home care?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Close to 900 people died from flu in Oz last year.

Surely these containment centres are already in place Wink
bingley hall
Well if you go by the warnings about the bushfires, and the response......
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Close to 900 people died from flu in Oz last year.

Surely these containment centres are already in place Wink
bingley hall
Containment centers for before or after you die ?

BigShunter.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Close to 900 people died from flu in Oz last year.

Surely these containment centres are already in place Wink
Containment centers for before or after you die ?

BigShunter.
BigShunter

I'm sure someone out there with their tinfoil hat on will be only happy to reply Razz
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Our major public hospitals have a large flu patient intake in the winter months. They try and accommodate everyone, but some existing patients tend to be transferred to unrelated wards (to their condition) and this can lower the standard of care and treatment. I have seen it first hand, and if the numbers of corono patients shoots through the roof, I am unsure how they will be accommodated. Entire wards will need to be evacuated to allow for corono pax. What will happen to the existing pax? Home care?
ANR
Remember if poo really does hit the fan on this, elective and non life threatening surgery will be stopped. This will remove a good proportion of patients, yes tent hospitals will be built to isolate those sick but not at immediate risk of dying.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
would be worth a read for those feeling a bit nervous.

How contagious is the Wuhan Coronavirus?
The attack rate or transmissibility (how rapidly the disease spreads) of a virus is indicated by its reproductive number (Ro, pronounced R-nought or r-zero), which represents the average number of people who will catch the disease from a single infected person.

For the Wuhan Coronavirus, this parameter is estimated to be between 2.0 and 3.1, according to preliminary studies [5][6], with one study providing an estimate of 2.6 with an uncertainty range of: 1.5-3.5[7]. The WHO noted on January 23 that human-to-human transmission was occurring and a preliminary Ro estimate of 1.4-2.5[13]. Based on these numbers, on average every case of Wuhan Coronavirus would create between 2 and 3 new cases. An outbreak with a reproductive number of below 1 will gradually disappear.

For comparison, the Ro for the common flu is 1.3 and for SARS it was 2.0.


Fatality Rate (case fatality ratio or CFR) of the Wuhan Coronavirus
See full details: Wuahn Coronavirus Fatality Rate

The novel coronavirus' case fatality rate is currently estimated at around 2%, according to the WHO [16] on January 29, 2020. A prior estimate [9] had put that number at 3%, between 2% and 4%). Fatality rate can change as a virus can mutate, according to epidemiologists.

Once the province Hubei (where the epicenter Wuhan is situated) is removed from the calculation, the national (China) mortality rate drops to 0.3%. Within the Hubei province, the mortality rate is about 1% when excluding the city of Wuhan (where it is 5.5%).

For comparison, the case fatality rate with seasonal flu is less than 0.01% (1 death per every 10,000 cases)[8]. Mortality rate for SARS was 10%, and for MERS 34%.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Will QLD, (and FNQ) close their border(s) to the rest of the nation ( and declare their independence while they are at it?)

Premier Anastascia (sp?) has hit out at the Commonwealth govt over the timely flow if information about the very fluid corono outbreak.

It kind of looks absurd that we have ABC News 24 crossing 'live' to various State premiers, their health ministers, their chief health officers, and their troupe etc to see updates on the latest cases, if they have spiked fevers etc. I guess health is a state matter.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Smocorona gone on another tropical jaunt has he?
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

Smocorona gone on another tropical jaunt has he?
wobert
He had his Fathers funeral yesterday or the day before.

Maybe that has something to do with it?

Craig W
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Qantas now restricting flights, if anyone was actually using them.

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