Victorian Power Crisis

 
Topic moved from Victoria by dthead on 03 Feb 2020 21:35
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Power lines are out in Western Victoria due to a storm.



Portland Smelter is out cold without power.

How long before we loose power in Melbourne?

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  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Power lines are out in Western Victoria due to a storm.



Portland Smelter is out cold without power.

How long before we loose power in Melbourne?
bevans

We should loose all our power!!!!!

edit: Going by those photos the Murdoch press are going to blame wind turbines.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And again the spot price in SA is much lower than Victoria and they have a heatwave also.  

Spot Price at 5pm is $82.43

The is a change brewing in SA and power pricing.

https://www.aemo.com.au/Energy-systems/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-NEM/Data-Dashboard-NEM
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Interesting.  Lots of decisions to be made about the future of Portland Smelter. It's been subsidized to the tune of $4.5 billion since 2009...
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Power lines are out in Western Victoria due to a storm.



Portland Smelter is out cold without power.

How long before we loose power in Melbourne?

We should loose all our power!!!!!

edit: Going by those photos the Murdoch press are going to blame wind turbines.
Fatty
Not funny.  That's exactly what happened in SA.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Interesting.  Lots of decisions to be made about the future of Portland Smelter. It's been subsidized to the tune of $4.5 billion since 2009...
Carnot
Yep and with Alcoa looking at shutting down non core businesses and driving down costs it may not last much longer https://www.manmonthly.com.au/news/alcoa-rules-closure-portland-smelter-now/ and if they end up with another major pot line problem like the one that they copped last year and the bigger one a couple of years earlier that might just be enough to sway boardroom opinion.

BTW the GF's BFF is working on the legal case surrounding the problems at Alcoa Portland back in 2016 and she reckons that outage is going to cost someone a packet!
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Power lines are out in Western Victoria due to a storm.



Portland Smelter is out cold without power.

How long before we loose power in Melbourne?

We should loose all our power!!!!!

edit: Going by those photos the Murdoch press are going to blame wind turbines.
Not funny.  That's exactly what happened in SA.
Lad_Porter

Yes, I know. That's the joke.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I doubt the State Government will want to cough up more cash to prop up Porrland Smelter....
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The trams are still running up and down Collins St as I write this and the air-con shops are still pumping out cool air.

Nothing to see here...Murdoch press caught out yet again...their motto....never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Mike.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's actually fortunate the wind is blowing right now and we have a lot of wind turbines. Tasmanian hydro also doing some heavy lifting. Loy Yang lost a unit this morning...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I wait with bated breath to hear the Victorian Government reveal a practicable, long term solution that ensures enough power for the State regardless of weather conditions.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Agreed...it's called renewable energy.

M.
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

Keep burning the beautiful brown coal from the Latrobe Valley , problem solved or start burning our rubbish for electricity, in Europe they call it recycling.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The trams are still running up and down Collins St as I write this and the air-con shops are still pumping out cool air.

Nothing to see here...Murdoch press caught out yet again...their motto....never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Mike.
The Vinelander
That is a particularly disingenuous comment Mike, you should know better as someone who lives in regional Victoria.

There IS something to see here - today was expected to bring the biggest demand on the Victorian power grid since 2014 and "involuntary load shedding" was certainly a possibility.

Not to mention the fact that a heap of us in Central Victoria were without power from 7.30ish this morning until well after lunch for reasons as yet unexplained. Try telling the Butcher, Milk Bar and all the other businesses in my area who couldn't trade that there is nothing to see here.


We have had 4 major outages in the last 6 months or so all of which lead to hundreds of thousands of $$$ of losses to local businesses and the awful sight of perfectly good food being binned. All is not well with the Victorian Electricity grid.

So you enjoy your air conditioned shops and trams in the CBD won't you. Not all of us had that luxury today in the 40+ degree heat.

BTW I am with Powershop for my power and we were (once again) asked to reduce power use this afternoon which I happily did and will no doubt get another credit on my next bill for meeting my target.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

It's actually fortunate the wind is blowing right now and we have a lot of wind turbines. Tasmanian hydro also doing some heavy lifting. Loy Yang lost a unit this morning...
Carnot
Gotta' love private power generation - Sweat the asset, and when it breaks, "we'll fix it soon" (as cheaply as we possibly can).
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
ABC news reporting that around 20,000 customers are without power in the SW following the power line problems at Cressy
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
We have had 4 major outages in the last 6 months or so all of which lead to hundreds of thousands of $$$ of losses to local businesses and the awful sight of perfectly good food being binned. All is not well with the Victorian Electricity grid.

You see it all the time on the news a retailer going crook about loosing a hundred grand worth of stock, they keep a 40' container of meat frozen on the back of a truck from Bloody Bordertown to Melbourne or train from Mildura, a small diesel engine the source of power generation....Shocked

So you enjoy your air conditioned shops and trams in the CBD won't you. Not all of us had that luxury today in the 40+ degree heat.
BrentonGolding
Not being a smart ar$e BG but hundreds of thousands of $$$ sounds as if ya own generator would be a smart move, particularly the butcher or any joint relying on keeping their food cold or frozen....

You see it all the time on the news a retailer going crook about loosing a hundred grand worth of stock, they keep a 40' container of meat frozen on the back of a truck from Bloody Bordertown to Melbourne or train from Mildura, a small diesel engine the source of power generation....Shocked

BigShunter.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Not being a smart ar$e BG but hundreds of thousands of $$$ sounds as if ya own generator would be a smart move, particularly the butcher or any joint relying on keeping their food cold or frozen....

You see it all the time on the news a retailer going crook about loosing a hundred grand worth of stock, they keep a 40' container of meat frozen on the back of a truck from Bloody Bordertown to Melbourne or train from Mildura, a small diesel engine the source of power generation....Shocked

BigShunter.
BigShunter
You're right Shunter, generators are much cheaper (and quieter) than they used to be; cheap insurance.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
We have had 4 major outages in the last 6 months or so all of which lead to hundreds of thousands of $$$ of losses to local businesses and the awful sight of perfectly good food being binned. All is not well with the Victorian Electricity grid.

You see it all the time on the news a retailer going crook about loosing a hundred grand worth of stock, they keep a 40' container of meat frozen on the back of a truck from Bloody Bordertown to Melbourne or train from Mildura, a small diesel engine the source of power generation....Shocked

So you enjoy your air conditioned shops and trams in the CBD won't you. Not all of us had that luxury today in the 40+ degree heat.
Not being a smart ar$e BG but hundreds of thousands of $$$ sounds as if ya own generator would be a smart move, particularly the butcher or any joint relying on keeping their food cold or frozen....

You see it all the time on the news a retailer going crook about loosing a hundred grand worth of stock, they keep a 40' container of meat frozen on the back of a truck from Bloody Bordertown to Melbourne or train from Mildura, a small diesel engine the source of power generation....Shocked

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Hmm. you've managed to put your own words into my quote making it look like I can't spell losing....... Not to mention confusing my point. But anyhoo.......

My local Butcher, Milk Bar and the business I work for can't afford generators and we shouldn't be required to just to keep the fridge cold either.

For all that people BS on about climate change one thing they never seem to consider is consumption. Every shop having to have a diesel genny in the back room just in case is a whole lot of embedded energy in construction for pretty much no reason at all.

What we need is an electricity grid that works, You know, like what they have in other first world countries.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Power lines are out in Western Victoria due to a storm.

Portland Smelter is out cold without power.

bevans
The Smelter is still 2/3 alive. It is being fed from S.A. and Mortlake Gasfired Power Station at the moment.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Ok you lot, Who dropped their GUTS? ( farted)
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Not being a smart ar$e BG but hundreds of thousands of $$$ sounds as if ya own generator would be a smart move, particularly the butcher or any joint relying on keeping their food cold or frozen....

You see it all the time on the news a retailer going crook about loosing a hundred grand worth of stock, they keep a 40' container of meat frozen on the back of a truck from Bloody Bordertown to Melbourne or train from Mildura, a small diesel engine the source of power generation....Shocked

BigShunter.
You're right Shunter, generators are much cheaper (and quieter) than they used to be; cheap insurance.
Lockspike
Serious question, do you run your own business? Is is your hard earned that will be spent on this "cheap insurance"?

Is it you who will be making the choice between taking the fam on holidays or spending the little you have managed to save in a tough year on a generator?

Like I say a serious question. Not just for you but for anyone who thinks that small business people are millionaires who can just pop on down to the local Lyal Eales and fork out for a generator on a whim.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
My local Butcher, Milk Bar and the business I work for can't afford generators and we shouldn't be required to just to keep the fridge cold either.

For all that people BS on about climate change one thing they never seem to consider is consumption. Every shop having to have a diesel genny in the back room just in case is a whole lot of embedded energy in construction for pretty much no reason at all.

What we need is an electricity grid that works, You know, like what they have in other first world countries.
BrentonGolding
I think the question might be, can some business' afford NOT to have a generator and not every shop is going to require one, don't think a dress shop would.

It's no good ranting about the loss of electricity if it's the life line to your bottom line, when there are alternatives available. You won't be able to take the family on holidays if your throwing out a butcher shop full of foxy meat, either.

As for running a fridge, you could buy a piss ant gen from Aldi to run that.

Anyhow if there's any sparkies on here what's the low down on this ?

BigShunter.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner


My local Butcher, Milk Bar and the business I work for can't afford generators and we shouldn't be required to just to keep the fridge cold either.

For all that people BS on about climate change one thing they never seem to consider is consumption. Every shop having to have a diesel genny in the back room just in case is a whole lot of embedded energy in construction for pretty much no reason at all.

What we need is an electricity grid that works, You know, like what they have in other first world countries.
BrentonGolding
I agree with you BG, we ought to have a reliable electricity network as we once did. But until that is restored, if you have a need, and you can afford it, it makes sense.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction

As for running a fridge, you could buy a piss ant gen from Aldi to run that.

Anyhow if there's any sparkies on here what's the low down on this ?

BigShunter.
BigShunter
I assume you are having a laugh but a small business can't just go and buy a cheap genny from Aldi. Well not a business with insurance anyway.

It needs to be a certified product and be installed by a certified sparky (which costs a bomb) - you can't just hook it up yourself.

Then you have to notify your insurance company who may or may not want to come out and have a look to make sure the work is up to standard.

Of course you could not do any of that but when your business burns to the ground your insurance company has the perfect get out clause.

And again I return to the same point - why the hell should we have to fork out all that $$$ just because this country can't organise a reliable electricity grid? Oh and BTW all this extra cost inevitably gets passed on to consumers. Businesses like ours where we are trying to compete against cheap imports - we just go broke and you never have to give us a second thought. But the Butcher, the Baker, the Candle Stick Maker, they pass these extra costs onto you, the consumer. Simple as that.

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