Victorian Power Crisis

 
Topic moved from Victoria by dthead on 03 Feb 2020 21:35
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
RTT, that nuclear cannot get insurance is a lie projected from (the distinctly non green) green movement against nuclear.

EVERY NPP in the United States and Canada is privately insured, it’s a legislated requirement there.

There are no uninsured NPPs in continental Europe, elsewhere I couldn’t be sure.

Insurance companies LOVE nuclear power plants, they get to charge a massive premium on an industry that is very tiny risk. No NPP outside of the USSR has killed a single person due to the effects of radiation.

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
RTT, that nuclear cannot get insurance is a lie projected from (the distinctly non green) green movement against nuclear.

EVERY NPP in the United States and Canada is privately insured, it’s a legislated requirement there.

There are no uninsured NPPs in continental Europe, elsewhere I couldn’t be sure.

Insurance companies LOVE nuclear power plants, they get to charge a massive premium on an industry that is very tiny risk. No NPP outside of the USSR has killed a single person due to the effects of radiation.
Aaron
Yes I meant there are limits for which without national govt support, they could not operate. I just looked up the details. They have limited insurance. In the USA the pool is currently capped at $13B through various formulas depending on the incident, after which the US taxpayer picks up the bill.  

The cleanup cost for Chernobyl bankrupted the USSR.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/energy-laws-have-let-us-down-victoria-pulls-the-plug-20200217-p541nj.html
And this

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/02/scotty-from-marketing-rebrands-global-climate-effort/

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wobert
Hmmmm....  I can actually understand the Vic Govt's thinking here.  Without significant changes to the way the grid is configured, then investment in solar and wind generation will stall (which it is right now).  The key will be trying to balance the low generation costs of renewables, with the expense of grid upgrades and batteries/condensors, and then trying to keep it all reliable when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow (pumped hydro).

Watch the blame game ramp up.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

http://www.nem-watch.info/widgets/reneweconomy/


Victoria total power generation: 5049 Mw, Brown coal 4170 Mw.

Current demand.  6034Mw

Leave the NEM? This will be interesting

Craig w
  Carnot Minister for Railways

http://www.nem-watch.info/widgets/reneweconomy/


Victoria total power generation: 5049 Mw, Brown coal 4170 Mw.

Current demand.  6034Mw

Leave the NEM? This will be interesting

Craig w
CraigW
As I said, pumped hydro (and larger interconnectors) for when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow (like today).
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Windy in SA,-$35 at the moment according to AEMO
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
http://www.nem-watch.info/widgets/reneweconomy/


Victoria total power generation: 5049 Mw, Brown coal 4170 Mw.

Current demand.  6034Mw

Leave the NEM? This will be interesting

Craig w
As I said, pumped hydro (and larger interconnectors) for when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow (like today).
Carnot
But who pays for all this, none of it is cheaper than coal.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

http://www.nem-watch.info/widgets/reneweconomy/


Victoria total power generation: 5049 Mw, Brown coal 4170 Mw.

Current demand.  6034Mw

Leave the NEM? This will be interesting

Craig w
As I said, pumped hydro (and larger interconnectors) for when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow (like today).
Carnot
Where in victoria are you going to be able to produce 5000 + Mw from pumped hydro? I would have thought that Vic leaving the NEM takes Snowy Hydro 2 out of the equation. That is only 2000 Mw.

In any case, they need to start building very, very quickly if they are to carry out such a "bold' plan
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Yeah but Craig, we've lost nigh on a decade on this.

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