More people travelling between Canberra and Sydney by train

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 22 Feb 2020 10:29
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Why are people against increasing the speed in the line ?

Obvious pleople want the service and they want to use the train so speed it up and make it easy to use and it will grow more.

More people travelling between Canberra and Sydney by train

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Queensland and Victoria and NSW now experiencing passenger growth in country services ?
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Based on the figures tabled, works out at about 700 pax per day, 120 per service (3 up, 3 down).

Time to add a service perhaps? Who knows, it might become apparent that better frequency can deliver even better outcomes.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I used the train in September. Sunday evening to CBR and Thursday evening to SYD.  Full both ways. I was at a conference and many people would have taken the train if there was a later evening service (5pm was too soon).  A faster service would be an exponential improvement and could perhaps spur on one or two additional services easily.

Bus connections in Canberra could be better and being able to use Opal would be a big benefit.  

I'd love to see the route profitability numbers for the route though and what the cost of the service is.

EDIT: I have a potential regular workshop in Canberra once a month for the rest of the year, ill use the train every time if possible to get to this.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
How long does the trip by train/car take?
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
How long does the trip by train/car take?
wobert
Depends which part of Sydney you want to start/end up in, but roughly, car 3 hours, bus 3 and a half, train over four.

Some simple realignments, especially south of Goulburn would knock half an hour off the train. But the only reason the train line stays open is for Sydney's garbage.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
How long does the trip by train/car take?
Depends which part of Sydney you want to start/end up in, but roughly, car 3 hours, bus 3 and a half, train over four.

Some simple realignments, especially south of Goulburn would knock half an hour off the train. But the only reason the train line stays open is for Sydney's garbage.
apw5910
Thanx muchly.

I daresay the corresponding roads have had squillions spent on them
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Queensland and Victoria and NSW now experiencing passenger growth in country services ?
freightgate

Recent figures on RP about Queensland long distance trains show favourable growth but I cannot find the link.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
How long does the trip by train/car take?
Depends which part of Sydney you want to start/end up in, but roughly, car 3 hours, bus 3 and a half, train over four.

Some simple realignments, especially south of Goulburn would knock half an hour off the train. But the only reason the train line stays open is for Sydney's garbage.
apw5910
There is a rumoured realignment from somewhere near Macarthur to somewhere near Bargo (or a bit further south) which would make a substantial difference to the trip length (and many other runs).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
How long does the trip by train/car take?
Depends which part of Sydney you want to start/end up in, but roughly, car 3 hours, bus 3 and a half, train over four.

Some simple realignments, especially south of Goulburn would knock half an hour off the train. But the only reason the train line stays open is for Sydney's garbage.
apw5910

Who would like to be in Glady's or her Minister for Public Transport's shoes if, in the extremely unlikely event an announcement were ever made that the most populous, at the moment, capital city in the land could not sustain a passenger train service to the nations capital.

Mike.
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: On the 1 in 40.
Who would like to be in Glady's or her Minister for Public Transport's shoes if, in the extremely unlikely event an announcement were ever made that the most populous, at the moment, capital city in the land could not sustain a passenger train service to the nations capital.

Mike.
apw5910
I'd have thought that if there were to be any embarrassment over this it would rest with the ACT/Canberra rather than with NSW/Sydney.  

Steve
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Who would like to be in Glady's or her Minister for Public Transport's shoes if, in the extremely unlikely event an announcement were ever made that the most populous, at the moment, capital city in the land could not sustain a passenger train service to the nations capital.

Mike.
I'd have thought that if there were to be any embarrassment over this it would rest with the ACT/Canberra rather than with NSW/Sydney.  

Steve
sydneyshortnorth

Last time I checked it was Trainlink or whatever they are called this week that operates trains to Canberra. Definitely a state issue.

Mike.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Does the government of the ACT provide any operating subsidy to the route?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Why are people against increasing the speed in the line ?

Obvious pleople want the service and they want to use the train so speed it up and make it easy to use and it will grow more.

More people travelling between Canberra and Sydney by train
freightgate

Nobody is against speeding the line up. People are against spending a ridiculous amount of money to build a passenger only vhst line that will require huge sums of money to build and then run that we don't have to waste. The problem is that politicians are only interested in shiny new things instead of incremental improvements to the existing system.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

I think the original tilt train experiment although a sham, needs revisiting and proper evaluation outside of election cycles.

If you go back qnd read the posts of what Gladys, her opposition, and the rest of the Muppets in the Canberra thought bubble were proposing or promising, where is the action?

Lemme guess. It is cutting unnecessary Swiss cheese holes in Sydney and at least a $3bil hole in the budget. As taxpayers and citizens, why are we tolerating this appalling incompetence and wastage from either side of politics?

Where is the opposition? Who is the leader of the opposition?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Could it be possible to electrify the Canberra line and put longer and new rolling stock like has been mentioned here.

Longer would mean more seats and same sets no diesel less polluting and more efficient.
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Could it be possible to electrify the Canberra line and put longer and new rolling stock like has been mentioned here.

Longer would mean more seats and same sets no diesel less polluting and more efficient.
freightgate
You can do just about anything if you throw enough money at it, but there is the problem.  You could achieve a great deal with a realignment from around Maldon to Yerrinbool but that little chessnut has been around since the 1950s and I cannot see it happening anytime soon if ever.

There are a number of other improvements which would reduce travel times but it again comes down to money.

Someone else touched on the issue that the line is probably still open today only because of the garbage traffic to Crisps Creek.  Take that away and I imagine the future of the line south of Joppa Jnct would get very bleak!

As a taxpayer I would be about as impressed with seeing government spend the money to electrify all the way to Canberra for three trains each way each day as I am with the nearly $3 billion Gladdy and Co. wasted on that slow and pointless toy out to the eastern suburbs.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

7334, there would be benefits for passengers travelling Sydney to Goulburn, which is more than 3 trains.

So long as NSW governments continue to see Sydney as the boundary of NSW, the rest of the state will continue to go backwards, see tracks shut down, and ripped up, and see various iterations of the same Stadium in Moore Park, again and again....
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
7334, there would be benefits for passengers travelling Sydney to Goulburn, which is more than 3 trains.

So long as NSW governments continue to see Sydney as the boundary of NSW, the rest of the state will continue to go backwards, see tracks shut down, and ripped up, and see various iterations of the same Stadium in Moore Park, again and again....
ANR
I do not see it as a case of being Sydney centric, I am just as unhappy with some of the things the Berejiklian government has done as people in regional areas. Think the stadiums, moving the Powerhouse Museum to a flood prone area in Parramatta, and again that useless light rail to the south east.  There were better uses for the cash in each case.

That said the line and service to Canberra could be vastly improved without electrification and in the process provide benefits way beyond just the Canberra aspect.  Certainly straighten it out but electrifying all the way to Canberra is a step too far.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Could it be possible to electrify the Canberra line and put longer and new rolling stock like has been mentioned here.

Longer would mean more seats and same sets no diesel less polluting and more efficient.
You can do just about anything if you throw enough money at it, but there is the problem.  You could achieve a great deal with a realignment from around Maldon to Yerrinbool but that little chessnut has been around since the 1950s and I cannot see it happening anytime soon if ever.

There are a number of other improvements which would reduce travel times but it again comes down to money.

Someone else touched on the issue that the line is probably still open today only because of the garbage traffic to Crisps Creek.  Take that away and I imagine the future of the line south of Joppa Jnct would get very bleak!

As a taxpayer I would be about as impressed with seeing government spend the money to electrify all the way to Canberra for three trains each way each day as I am with the nearly $3 billion Gladdy and Co. wasted on that slow and pointless toy out to the eastern suburbs.
7334

What this does prove is people are prepared to take the train to Canberra from Sydney and VV.

if the line was ungraded then more trains could be run faster and this would be more appealing.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Could it be possible to electrify the Canberra line and put longer and new rolling stock like has been mentioned here.

Longer would mean more seats and same sets no diesel less polluting and more efficient.
freightgate
Electrification is possible but it is unlikely given the cost.

When you say longer I assume you mean more cars.
The Explorer cars are among the longest vehicles on the ARTC network.

Peter
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/faster-journeys-on-sydney-canberra-trains-among-priorities-20200225-p5444m.html

Infra Australia to add SYD-CBR rail upgrades to priority list
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The new regional rolling stock will mean that we will have an excess of Xplorers and Endeavours which could be used to provide extra 4 car services to and from Canberra. The track from Goulburn to Canberra really needs to be upgraded to allow 130+ operation.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/faster-journeys-on-sydney-canberra-trains-among-priorities-20200225-p5444m.html

Infra Australia to add SYD-CBR rail upgrades to priority list
james.au
I feel that i mentioned this elsewhere (though could have been in a RL conversation) but the ACT and NSW Governments are listed as proponents of this project, meaning they put some paperwork forward.  Compared with Rail network optimisation which is an IA identified initiative with no proponent, this might have more legs than not.  Will watch this space.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Electrification of SYDNEY to Canberra costs need to include the costs of carbon pollution as they do in Europe when costing. We now need a major package of investment in rail for the major interstate routes like SYDNEY to Canberra and SYDNEY to MELBOURNE with track alignment and speed increases and electrification with renewables.

This must be the priority.

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