Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Ahh just like the Overland thread, I see
doyle
As a politician Dandrews is bound to implode at some stage

The Overland will probably follow soon after Laughing

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Daniel still hasn't imploded
doyle
Just look at what he looks like on the telly, he needs a weeks R&R for the good of everyone.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Daniel still hasn't imploded
Just look at what he looks like on the telly, he needs a weeks R&R for the good of everyone.
Nightfire
Hell no! Can you imagine him leaving the reins to any one of the dozen nincompoops who were lucky to remember their own birthdays in the quarantine inquiry?!?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Andrews has proven to be unflappable during the COVID-19 crisis, particularly in the face of inane and repetitive questioning from certain media hacks present at his daily press conferences who seem hellbent on nothing more than getting a reaction out of him. Credit should at least be given to him for that.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Hell no! Can you imagine him leaving the reins to any one of the dozen nincompoops who were lucky to remember their own birthdays in the quarantine inquiry?!?
KRviator
Could they do any worse ?

Rather than "Lets make this clear, NO No No"
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Dan looks fine and as sharp as ever
Just my opinion
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Dan won’t be going under any bus anytime soon. That’s what minions are for. The former Health minister being a point in case. Although she said she didn’t like her integrity (I think that’s what she said) being called into question at the inquiry.
Well, ok. Let’s substitute integrity for dumbarss. A Dumbarss can have integrity, and (with the statements of plenty of them at the inquiry) that was more her failing as the responsible minister than her integrity.

How anyone called to be in attendance at this inquiry had any doubt in their mind that someone was (right wrong or otherwise) going have their head on a stick for what happened, is laughable. The masses wanted someone accountable. A scapegoat has been found, the severed head is now on the stick for all to see.

People might now debate whether more should join it, or in fact whether the head is the appropriate one. I don’t care, said head has been provided. Come election time, depending on how the Covid thing is going will influence people's memory and whether their vote is swayed.

Time will tell.

I don’t see Dan imploding. I don’t know how his mental state is from choosing to front the media daily, biting his tongue wanting to call the non compliant types something unfit to be said publicly? That surely has to take a mental toll and, if it does, it’ll be the typical bloke thing where we don’t talk about it.

Regards
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

What I find distasteful is that Jenny Mykonos has to resign and Martin Pakula is still Jobs Minister. That is really outrageous, as it was him who hired the Private firm in the first place. Martin Pakula has no business being in charge of a porfolio.

Get rid off him, Dan.


Michael
it was him who hired the Private firm in the first place

Is that correct? I thought they hired themselves.
fzr560
All right, the people were hired by the company, but the Jobs Minister handed them the Contract.

Michael
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Meanwhile, Third wave incoming....

  62440 Chief Commissioner

Looking at the situation from across the border some things are blindingly obvious.
  • Every decision is either made or agreed by the Premier. He was not even talking to key ministers.
  • There were a number of meetings to discuss how to deal with the issue and no minutes are available which show who decided what. This is unbelievable, every petty organisation I am involved in keeps minutes of all meetings and has them ratified and recorded.
  • The State has laws that are targeted at business leaders, anyone guilty of making an instruction which, directly or indirectly leads to a fatality goes to jail. Andrews is responsible for the poor management of quarantine whether directly or indirectly and he is liable to prosecution for dozens of fatalities under the law which he created
  • He is signing up to international treaties which he is not permitted to do under the Federation arrangements
  • What Victorians are and have been suffering is terrible especially for the young, missing out on education and personal development, and not all actions causing this stress have been explained eg curfew.
I am glad that I don't live in Victoria any more and I feel sorry for all my friends who are.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The State has laws that are targeted at business leaders, anyone guilty of making an instruction which, directly or indirectly leads to a fatality goes to jail.
62440
The State has laws that are targeted at irresponsible business leaders, and about time too. Your philosophy appears to be that business leaders are somehow exempt from responsibility.
You can't have it both ways. If Andrews, as the State leader is ultimately responsible for what happens, then Joe Soap who owns a ferret collar manufacturing business is also ultimately responsible for what happens in his place.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The State has laws that are targeted at business leaders, anyone guilty of making an instruction which, directly or indirectly leads to a fatality goes to jail.
The State has laws that are targeted at irresponsible business leaders, and about time too. Your philosophy appears to be that business leaders are somehow exempt from responsibility.
You can't have it both ways. If Andrews, as the State leader is ultimately responsible for what happens, then Joe Soap who owns a ferret collar manufacturing business is also ultimately responsible for what happens in his place.
Valvegear
How Is anyone exempt ?
  62440 Chief Commissioner

No one is exempt, and rightly so. But it appears that somehow some people become exempt from decisions they made by obfuscation. He made a poor decision and people died as a direct result. End of. This cannot be covered up for ever.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Glad to hear that Dan's Detention law proposal has been shot down.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Glad to hear that Dan's Detention law proposal has been shot down.
Carnot
Yes that law's power could of been used to lock up anyone (Indefinitely without charge) who challenged the Government on any Issue, umm like the members of the Upper House cross bench who Intend to vote down a bill !
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Glad to hear that Dan's Detention law proposal has been shot down.
"Carnot"
So am I. That had to be one of Andrews' sillier ideas.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tens of billions of taxpayer dollars could be paid out with the Andrews Government facing unprecedented legal action over its bungling of the coronavirus crisis.

The Herald Sun has been told the action is likely to be the biggest in Australia’s history.

About 700 Jim’s Mowing franchisees have become the latest to take on the government, joining a multi-million dollar lawsuit over the failed hotel quarantine program which unleashed Victoria’s deadly second wave.

Swinburne Law School Dean Mirko Bagaric said everyday Victorians would be the ones left to pay any potential compensation bill, with legal wrangling likely to drag on for years.

“The tens of billions of dollars – the accumulated damage done to Victorians has been enormous,’’ Mr Bagaric said.
“It could cripple the state and be financially detrimental to all Victorians.

“These class actions will take a decade – this will haunt the government.”
Unica Cucina e Caffe restaurant owner Michelle Loielo is taking the Victorian government to court over lockdown restrictions. Picture: Jake NowakowskiThe class actions would together be the biggest Australia had seen.

“It will be the biggest in Australia’s history by a magnitude of at least 10 – this will dwarf any class action that has ever happened.

“Nearly every Victorian has been adversely affected by this.”

In actions underway, a Sydney-based law firm is seeking compensation for all businesses that have suffered losses due to the outbreak, while Carbone Lawyers has filed a writ in the Supreme Court on behalf of Victorians who have lost their jobs.
It can be revealed about 700 Jim’s Mowing franchisees prevented from working under stage four restrictions are joining the multi-million lawsuit.

Carbone Lawyers managing partner Tony Carbone said his firm would be pushing for about $20 million in compensation for Jim’s Mowing franchisees alone.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts/victorian-government-hit-with-multimillion-dollar-lawsuits-over-coronavirus-restrictions/news-story/eca2c40e104e666277b36dc0cb66c3d6
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
If the businesses win their legal actions, unfortunately it is the rest of Victoria that looses.   It will not be Dan or the Labor Party paying for the compensation out of their own back pockets, it will be the taxpayers with higher taxes and less government services.

In the end, no one wins.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
If the businesses win their legal actions, unfortunately it is the rest of Victoria that looses.   It will not be Dan or the Labor Party paying for the compensation out of their own back pockets, it will be the taxpayers with higher taxes and less government services.

In the end, no one wins.
Donald

The Murdoch Herald-Sun wins and that's all that matters to them,

M.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If the businesses win their legal actions, unfortunately it is the rest of Victoria that looses.   It will not be Dan or the Labor Party paying for the compensation out of their own back pockets, it will be the taxpayers with higher taxes and less government services.

In the end, no one wins.
Donald
Law firms win big time

Most Politicians will still win (some might not win and spend their retirement In a prison cell)
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
If the businesses win their legal actions, unfortunately it is the rest of Victoria that looses.   It will not be Dan or the Labor Party paying for the compensation out of their own back pockets, it will be the taxpayers with higher taxes and less government services.

In the end, no one wins.
Donald
Victoria's state debt is already projected to fly past $100,000,000,000 on its way to the moon shortly, what difference does it make?

Taxpayers always end up on the hook for everything - don't you know that by now! When Kennett privatised the poles and wires of the old SEC there was a clause in the contract that the new owners wouldn't be held liable for bushfires where the damage exceeded a certain number. So the taxpayers of Victoria ended up bailing out the Singaporean owners of Ausnet for their negligence class action over the Black Saturday bushfires despite the fact that they hadn't owned the assets for over a decade and were in no way responsible for their maintenance schedules.

Let me repeat: Taxpayers always end up on the hook for everything - no exceptions.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian proves that she's just as dumb as Dan Andrews when it comes to understanding this virus situation. From the ABC today:

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she was confident authorities could "get on top" of the new infections quickly.

"This is a good reminder, a good wake-up call, that we're living in a pandemic, that we're managing it well, but that we'll never be out of the woods until there's a vaccine," she said.

There's never going to be a vaccine for this thing, Ms. Binchicklian, and you're a complete fool if you are holding your breath hoping for one to save us all.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Former Victorian health minister Jenny Mikakos says it is “implausible” the decision to use private security was a “creeping assumption”, and has urged the hotel quarantine inquiry to “treat with caution” the evidence of Premier Daniel Andrews.

In a submission to the inquiry published on Monday, Ms Mikakos said accepting the use of private security had “insufficient regard to the realities of governmental operation and decision-making.”

“In this regard, it is respectfully submitted that the Board ought to treat with caution the Premier’s evidence where he sought to explain the reference to the use of private security in the Hotel Quarantine Program made by him during his media conference that commenced at 3pm on 27 March 2020,” she said.

“It is submitted that had the decision not already been made by that time, the Premier would not have announced the use of private security in the program.”

Ms Mikakos submitted that the evidence instead actually pointed to a decision being made at some point before a 3pm press conference given by Mr Andrews.

She said it was clear using Australian Defence Force troops was clearly the wish of National Cabinet, and the decision to use private security instead was “inextricably linked”.

--The Australian
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Former Victorian health minister Jenny Mikakos says it is “implausible” the decision to use private security was a “creeping assumption”, and has urged the hotel quarantine inquiry to “treat with caution” the evidence of Premier Daniel Andrews.

In a submission to the inquiry published on Monday, Ms Mikakos said accepting the use of private security had “insufficient regard to the realities of governmental operation and decision-making.”

“In this regard, it is respectfully submitted that the Board ought to treat with caution the Premier’s evidence where he sought to explain the reference to the use of private security in the Hotel Quarantine Program made by him during his media conference that commenced at 3pm on 27 March 2020,” she said.

“It is submitted that had the decision not already been made by that time, the Premier would not have announced the use of private security in the program.”

Ms Mikakos submitted that the evidence instead actually pointed to a decision being made at some point before a 3pm press conference given by Mr Andrews.

She said it was clear using Australian Defence Force troops was clearly the wish of National Cabinet, and the decision to use private security instead was “inextricably linked”.

--The Australian
bevans
What is that sound I hear?  I believe it is Dan Andrews imploding....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is going to turn into a massive rat fest especially when the litigation starts.  Watch how many change their story pursuant to the inquiry.

Why is the EMT head how wanting to change his statement?

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