South Australia 2022 State election

 
Topic moved from South Australia by dthead on 18 Mar 2022 18:16
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
C'mon you guys, you are a few weeks from the state election and no thread yet.

Is life such a malaise over there that nobody cares who wins OR is the prospect of a Marshall win too much to bear Question

You DO realise he's no friend of public transport, but then again, neither apparently are many of the posters in your forum Exclamation

Interesting article here from a pollster of the past, Malcolm Mackerras, predicting a Marshall win.

https://switzer.com.au/the-experts/malcolm-mackerras/will-steven-marshall-win-the-south-australian-state-election/

Mike.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mike, he is not friend to anyone but the trucking companies who make the undisclosed political donations to his party.  Such is the way politics works in this country.

South Australia would be a better place without him his track record on rail is laughable and to an extent shameful.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Mike, he is not friend to anyone but the trucking companies who make the undisclosed political donations to his party.  Such is the way politics works in this country.

South Australia would be a better place without him his track record on rail is laughable and to an extent shameful.
bevans
Labor was no better - electrified one suburban line and then twice cancelled the Gawler line electrification because it ran through safe Labor seats. And the destruction of the country freight network occurred mostly under Labor's watch - they sat on their hands while the network deteriorated unlike Victoria where the government eventually intervened.

Also you're forgetting about the very close relationship between the Fox family and Dan Andrews.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Mike, he is not friend to anyone but the trucking companies who make the undisclosed political donations to his party.  Such is the way politics works in this country.

South Australia would be a better place without him his track record on rail is laughable and to an extent shameful.
Labor was no better - electrified one suburban line and then twice cancelled the Gawler line electrification because it ran through safe Labor seats. And the destruction of the country freight network occurred mostly under Labor's watch - they sat on their hands while the network deteriorated unlike Victoria where the government eventually intervened.

Also you're forgetting about the very close relationship between the Fox family and Dan Andrews.
don_dunstan

This thread is about the SA election. Conjecture and smear is so unbecoming of you...but it's expected.

M.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Also you're forgetting about the very close relationship between the Fox family and Dan Andrews.
"don_dunstan"
Old Mr Double Standards strikes again - complains when anyone mentions Trump in the Biden thread, and now drags Andrews into a thread about Marshall.
One rule for him; another rule for everyone else.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
This thread is about the SA election. Conjecture and smear is so unbecoming of you...but it's expected.

M.
The Vinelander
Your beloved Age ran a series about the very close relationship between Andrews and the Fox family called 'Running with Foxes'.

Hardly a matter of conjecture my dear boy.
Old Mr Double Standards strikes again - complains when anyone mentions Trump in the Biden thread, and now drags Andrews into a thread about Marshall. One rule for him; another rule for everyone else.
Valvegear
Bevans mentioned that Marshall was close to the trucking industry in SA and I responded by saying it's common elsewhere. What's the problem?
  62440 Chief Commissioner

So where is this new freight coming from? Viterra has been shifting around 4Mpta, most of which is from major centres served by rail. I see long road trains heading to Roxby which has never had a rail link and there are hardly any places that could justify an oil terminal, other than Cook. The line from Broken Hill is approaching capacity so much so that mining companies were looking at slurry pipelines before the price plunge killed many projects.
There are still mixed trains operating though granted most are interstate but where are the major intrastate flows waiting to be served by new rail services? You need to look at 10Mtpa to justify studies. Even reopening existing but unused lines is expensive, especially thinking about the Riverland lines, which were limited to 20 km/h in some sections.
Party politics has little to do with it. As somebody above pointed out Labor cancelled Gawler wiring more than once, Libs are building it, albeit painfully slowly ( though the pandemic has affected the number of people able to work on the project). Only new rail I can see is suburban.
Getting back to the theme of the thread, what are the Labor proposals for the rail industry? Remember the interstate routes are Federal, not state, so you are only looking at Adelaide suburban/
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
C'mon you guys, you are a few weeks from the state election and no thread yet.

Is life such a malaise over there that nobody cares who wins OR is the prospect of a Marshall win too much to bear Question

You DO realise he's no friend of public transport, but then again, neither apparently are many of the posters in your forum Exclamation

Interesting article here from a pollster of the past, Malcolm Mackerras, predicting a Marshall win.

https://switzer.com.au/the-experts/malcolm-mackerras/will-steven-marshall-win-the-south-australian-state-election/

Mike.
The Vinelander
Well not an unreasonable statement and request Mike Old Cock !

It was towards the end of 2012 that I wafted over the boarder and we subsequently built a house and settled into quite a nice community.

The state did seem to be running along reasonably well on our arrival, Jay, popular fellow, seemed to speak well would see him from time to time at the local shops.

Since arriving the new Adelaide Hospital was constructed, the line to Seaford extended & electrified, the high-rise section of the North / South corridor was constructed and the next section was continued to near Thebarton which mend Torrens Rd & Port Rd which are our main roads into the city or to Vic would be interrupted for major reconfiguration but actually caused very little problem for us and others. A very worth while project and it is not far off with the next stage in the Southerly direction.

In opposition I thought Marshall was a whining dick but in his acceptance speech he spoke very well and I reckon his gov't has continued with quite good work since coming into power.

They refurbished or reopened a number of hospitals that Jay was closing or scaling down, seems the Gawler job is trudging along, the Northern connector, continuation in a Northerly direction of the North  South Expressway has opened although unsure who instigated this, another terrific bypass instead of 50 traffic lights on Port Wakefield Rd, daughter lives in North Haven and works at Gawler and the Northern Connector cut 15-20mins off her travel time.

I have sampled a reasonable amount of the health system and I've certainly been looked after well there, none less than 5 years ago having a shoulder reco and 5 months in the cell and sent home with a vast amount of mechanical devices to conserve work done as well as the other shoulder, so the health sector from my perspective 10/10 despite what you see on the news.

Might just slip in the opening up of a number of the reservoirs for recreational activities has been a big hit as well, walking cycling tracks, picnic tables, thunder boxes etc, perhaps not headline news but small points do add up.

So I don't think either party has been bad but both have done a pretty good job from my simple observation ! Adelaide has a very nice climate, easy going joint to drive around and makes for very nice place to live, don't think you can ask for much more than that, hell you can even earbash people on RP from here.

BigShunter.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The Marshall government has done a decent job on rail, certainly enough to have been better than the anti-rail ALP government of Rann and Weatherill who had to be dragged kicking and screaming into accomplishing very little (as opposed to nothing) by the feds.

Rail transport won’t move forward in great leaps and bounds if they are returned for a second term, but at least it won’t move backwards again like it does any time the ALP get their hands on it.

But this election isn’t going to get fought on rail.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Bevans mentioned that Marshall was close to the trucking industry in SA and I responded by saying it's common elsewhere. What's the problem?
"don_dunstan"
There's always an excuse, however lame, isn't there.
  AN830 Locomotive Driver

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
I think it likely SA will end up with a hung parliament after the election, I think Labor will probably be able to form government they seem to have a good knack at negotiating with independent conservative MPs.

Country rail will never be election issue in South Australia, state elections in SA are decided by seat switch sides in Adelaide.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Bevans mentioned that Marshall was close to the trucking industry in SA and I responded by saying it's common elsewhere. What's the problem?
There's always an excuse, however lame, isn't there.
Valvegear
Well you know I just love furnishing you with material for your endless complaints about nothing.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
I think it likely SA will end up with a hung parliament after the election, I think Labor will probably be able to form government they seem to have a good knack at negotiating with independent conservative MPs.

Country rail will never be election issue in South Australia, state elections in SA are decided by seat switch sides in Adelaide.
AN830
It's likely Marshall will lose in my opinion - they already run a minority government. His performance has been less than stellar but I'd still rather them than the Labor Party, they've managed to keep debt in check despite the problems of COVID19.

I'm pretty confident a re-elected Labor will embark on yet another aggressive privatisation program here in South Australia despite the fact that there's bugger all left to sell. Last time they sold State Forests, Land Titles, Motor Accident Commission, all the remaining ports and a number of other instrumentalities. I'm guessing this time around they'll sell the Motor Registry and the North-South motorway in its entirety to Transurban with a hefty toll put on it to finance the early completion of the Torrens-to-Darlington section being the justification.

Labor also promised to merge the three universities into one - not sure how that will go but I'd imagine there will be some campus closures as a result of that.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Well you know I just love furnishing you with material for your endless complaints about nothing.
"don_dunstan"
You're obviously a slow learner; I've told you dozens of times that I'm not complaining. You supply so much target practice for me and others that it's like shooting fish in a barrel, and very enjoyable at that. I heard once that you thought you'd made a mistake, but you were wrong.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Well you know I just love furnishing you with material for your endless complaints about nothing.
You're obviously a slow learner; I've told you dozens of times that I'm not complaining. You supply so much target practice for me and others that it's like shooting fish in a barrel, and very enjoyable at that. I heard once that you thought you'd made a mistake, but you were wrong.
Valvegear
So do you actually have anything to say about the South Australian state election?

Of course you don't, you're only here because I am and your life is so patently devoid of colour you need me to brighten it up for you.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
So do you actually have anything to say about the South Australian state election?

Of course you don't, you're only here because I am and your life is so patently devoid of colour you need me to brighten it up for you.
"don_dunstan"
Another of your standard rushes to judgement, combined with the customary and vastly over inflated idea of your own importance. You're as predictable as the tide.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
So do you actually have anything to say about the South Australian state election?

Of course you don't, you're only here because I am and your life is so patently devoid of colour you need me to brighten it up for you.
Another of your standard rushes to judgement, combined with the customary and vastly over inflated idea of your own importance. You're as predictable as the tide.
Valvegear
All I did was point out that Andrews is close friends with his own trucking magnate and it sent you off to the fainting couch like a hysterical Victorian housewife in need of smelling salts. Who is the predictable one here?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
...and as usual you're stinking up a thread with complaints about me instead of actually talking about the topic at hand, which is South Australian politics. You and Mike are a pair of cranky old chooks looking for someone to beat with your fake Gucci hand-bags.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
We're not "looking for someone to beat" - we've found him. He takes the bait every time to the amusement of all.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
We're not "looking for someone to beat" - we've found him. He takes the bait every time to the amusement of all.
Valvegear
So you openly admit that you're here to throw handbags like Miss Piggy?

Some people actually come here because they want to chat about the topic that is on the heading of the thread, but not you - you're just here to stop any sensible adult conversation from happening.

Right?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Some people actually come here because they want to chat about the topic that is on the heading of the thread, but not you - you're just here to stop any sensible adult conversation from happening.

Right?
don_dunstan
Wrong. Most of us enjoy sensible adult conversation, but because you make it very difficult to have it with you, due to your wild claims, straw men and double standards, we instead spend a pleasant few minutes putting you in your place. Got it?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Some people actually come here because they want to chat about the topic that is on the heading of the thread, but not you - you're just here to stop any sensible adult conversation from happening.

Right?
Wrong. Most of us enjoy sensible adult conversation, but because you make it very difficult to have it with you, due to your wild claims, straw men and double standards, we instead spend a pleasant few minutes putting you in your place. Got it?
Valvegear
No, you're just inventing an excuse for your bad behaviour by trying to say that I deserve to be pilloried, therefore your childish attention-grabbing behaviour is justified.

If you were actually trying to take me on in a proper argument you'd fail miserably which is why you resort to school-yard tactics and name-calling.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Laughing
  hbedriver Deputy Commissioner

While the personal remarks are entertaining, what about the SA election?

Does the State have an upper house similar to Senate or Victoria? Could independents hold balance of power? Given SA has strong Greens senators, are they reasonably likely to see Greens elected?

The lower house interests me, based on the original article by MacKerras. Is the country members rorting their allowances an issue?

What policies do both major parties have regards metro passenger rail, trams, regional public transport, freight?

Will either Party commit to the re-opening of tge Lochiel line?
  allan Chief Commissioner

Will either Party commit to the re-opening of tge Lochiel line?
hbedriver
I cannot foresee either of the majors giving this a run! And I've yet to see policies from the HBP (Happy Birthday Party...).

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