Federal Election 2022

 
Topic moved from The Lounge by bevans on 17 Feb 2022 11:38
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
I thought I might start a thread for this since it will soon be time where we go to the polls once more, the first major poll of the year came out earlier this week with support for the Coalition down a whopping 5% to 35%, while the ALP had gained three to be on 34%, this is not good for the Morrison Govt who has been severely condemned for his handling of the pandemic to date. blaming everyone but themselves it seems, I must admit this whole State Cabinet thing is a complete joke, every Premier does their own thing anyway, it's just a talk fest more or less!

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  Sonofagunzel Minister for Railways

One of the best things about Australia is that it’s politics are usually very boring.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
MichaelGM - we were having a discussion about why Wayne Swan wasn't the best treasurer in opinion on the 'Aussie Political Economy' thread (which unfortunately got speared).

Swan signed off on a number of programs that are proving to be really problematic for the taxpayer in 2022 - NDIS while good in concept is proving to be really, really expensive to implement and will probably have to be pruned back by a future government. Likewise he should have continued to push for Rudd's resource rent tax as a once-in-a-generation opportunity to tax that windfall money that Twiggy and Gina were making at that point (particularly as the high dollar was killing the car industry at that point) but instead they sat on their hands and allowed a coup to happen where a left wing PM got in and relented to the uber-rich and killed it.

They had a responsibility to leave things on an even keel when they left office - instead they allowed the revenue base to be run down while initiating a whole series of expensive blunders (VET-FEE-HELP, NBN, off-again, on-again carbon tax). Not to mention the fact that they allowed the CFMEU et al to run cartels with large builders, increased total public service numbers by 406,000 (the states did as well but Gillard created whole new departments and new armies of regulators and red-tape makers) and not to mention the fact that they set a disaster in motion by allowing too many export terminals to be built for Australian gas enabling the pillaging of our resources by multinationals.

I'm not letting the LNP off the hook here either - you are 100% right in saying that the $250 billion legacy debt left behind by Rudd/Gillard/Rudd was subsequently expanded by the LNP to be around a trillion dollars now - but in fairness to Abbott and Hockey they tried to radically cut spending in the 2014 budget but were stymied by the hostile senate and couldn't pass it, leaving the spending settings pretty much where they are now.

The LNP have also initiated their own share of disasters starting with the chopped and changed submarines program (thought to have already cost tens of billions without one even being built), failed to curb the cost of electricity and gas, the terrible, inhumane 'Robodebt' program and squibbed at tax reform to rein in too-generous benefits, especially to superannuants and landlords.

Since 2007 we've been in a game of 'kick the can down the road' with our parliament seemingly incapable of being able to rein in the cost of government and frankly it's a monumental failure on behalf of both sides of the House. Albanese seems to have selected this 'small target' policy that is incredibly light on detail - doesn't inspire confidence that they have a plan to bring us back to balanced books any time soon.

Someone in the future will have to pay the interest on this debt - probably poor long suffering pay-as-you-go taxpayers (dwindling in numbers). We have to come up with a plan to get back to a balanced budget - we owe it to future generations of Australians not to leave a mountain of debt or the rest of this decade will end up like the seventies with high unemployment and runaway inflation.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Thanks for starting this thread.

Does Afonso have any chance of being relelected ?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Don, likely not the response you’re expecting or indeed hoping for. I’m in general agreement with the above. We’ll not be butting heads.
As a general and anecdotal observation, the NDIS appears as many government programmes, open to exploitation/abuse. More scrutiny for providers is required in my opinion.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: In exile
Thanks for starting this thread.

Does Afonso have any chance of being relelected ?
freightgate
Who is Afonso and how does one get relelected? Confused
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, some light reading, regards. Swanny.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/frydenbergs-record-proves-he-would-be-worse-pm-than-morrison,15970?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=IA_Feed
michaelgm
Yeah he's a Labor stooge though that journalist - he wrote nice things about Gillard when she was in office and refused to acknowledge that she'd squibbed in the face of Gina and Twiggy's pressure over RRT - a once-in-a-century windfall tax that could have easily paid for NBN and NDIS.

Frydenberg's biggest failure was to give companies like Harvey Norman and Premier Investments millions of dollars in Jobkeeper for no discernible reason whatsoever. But then I try to imagine what Labor would have done differently during the COVID19 thing at they probably would have spent even more given their form when they were last in.

Anyway - inflation figures are out and we've hit 3.5% in the December quarter, which is the biggest for eight years. The cost of fuel and housing were the biggest contributors so we're not even seeing the inflation due to grocery shortages flow through to the headline numbers yet - the inflation in those non-discretionary sectors was actually even higher at 4.5%.

It seems more and more likely that the Reserve will end up hiking rates though an election campaign.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Unsure of the date of the footage, but I love it GT is a legend.

Edit. Today.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Her conduct was embarrassing. She might not like the man but that's no reason to behave like a petulant child and roll your eyes.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Her conduct was embarrassing. She might not like the man but that's no reason to behave like a petulant child and roll your eyes.
don_dunstan
GT, in my view gave Morrison far more respect than he’s earned or deserves.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Her conduct was embarrassing. She might not like the man but that's no reason to behave like a petulant child and roll your eyes.
don_dunstan
Please tell us how she was being petulant, or is yet more uninformed waffle from the chief waffler of SA ??
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

A PM suffering with excessive narcissism and an inflated ego, might have better placed this event in the hands of the Governor General.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
GT, in my view gave Morrison far more respect than he’s earned or deserves.
michaelgm
Please tell us how she was being petulant, or is yet more uninformed waffle from the chief waffler of SA ??
Israilfan
Have you seen the video? She rolled her eyes like a brat. Imagine if she'd done that to Albanese or pretty much any other political leader - you'd be unhappy about it - right? You might not like ScoMo but he's the elected Prime Minister of this nation and he deserves respect - not open rudeness.

If she really didn't want to meet with him she shouldn't have gone - but she seems determined to have made an immature scene - which is exactly what she did.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Of course I’ve seen the clip, I posted the link.
If a person can only find empathy, for an individual who’s allegedly suffered sexual abuse, via the prism described by their wife imagine it was one our girls.
They are the facts, no need whatsoever to mention any other politicians.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Banned
Morrison deserves no respect at all just because he's PM. If he wants respect, he's like anyone else - he has to earn it. Grace Tame defied accepted convention by not being a hypocrite, and more power to her arm. She was honest; Morrison isn't.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
So come on then Don, what Has Scomo done to address sexual misconduct in Federal Parliament??
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Of course I’ve seen the clip, I posted the link.
If a person can only find empathy, for an individual who’s allegedly suffered sexual abuse, via the prism described by their wife imagine it was one our girls.
They are the facts, no need whatsoever to mention any other politicians.
michaelgm
So the fact that she was sexually abused as a teenager gives her the right to be rude to the Prime Minister?

Got it.
Morrison deserves no respect at all just because he's PM. If he wants respect, he's like anyone else - he has to earn it. Grace Tame defied accepted convention by not being a hypocrite, and more power to her arm. She was honest; Morrison isn't.
Valvegear
Well excuse me for expecting Australian of the Year to carry themselves with some kind of grace and decorum above politics.

Probably I'm just expecting too much, right?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Don, either you didn’t read my post or, context is completely wasted on you.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Not saying she isn't being groomed by people like Lisa Wilkinson but she's definitely political. And we shouldn't have political activists as Australian of the Year - end of story.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, either you didn’t read my post or, context is completely wasted on you.
michaelgm
That case still - STILL - hasn't been to trial yet, Michael. And ScoMo should have kept his mouth shut about it and not commented on what is essentially an allegation - full-stop.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Banned
Well excuse me for expecting Australian of the Year to carry themselves with some kind of grace and decorum above politics.

Probably I'm just expecting too much, right?
don_dunstan
If you prefer a display of dishonesty there's not much I can say. To meet your standards, she has to show decorum above politics while the guy she's with is a political shyster using her up as a cheap photo opportunity. I prefer honesty. That's all.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Well excuse me for expecting Australian of the Year to carry themselves with some kind of grace and decorum above politics.

Probably I'm just expecting too much, right?
If you prefer a display of dishonesty there's not much I can say. To meet your standards, she has to show decorum above politics while the guy she's with is a political shyster using her up as a cheap photo opportunity. I prefer honesty. That's all.
Valvegear
You would not be saying this if she had behaved that way towards Albo. Australian of the Year is NOT a political appointment - and the appointee shouldn't be acting politically.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
The reason why she gave Morrison the cold shoulder, is because Morrison has done nowhere near enough to address the issues of sexual misconduct in Federal Parliament, as a matter of fact, the Govt has given just 2 WHOLE WEEKS for organisations to respond to the 10 year Violence Against Women action plan- 2 weeks!!!
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
The reason why she gave Morrison the cold shoulder, is because Morrison has done nowhere near enough to address the issues of Sexual Misconduct in Federal Parliament, as a matter of fact, the Govt has given just 2 WHOLE WEEKS for organisations to respond to the 10 year Violence Against Women action plan- 2 weeks!!!
lsrailfan
Not true, they had an enquiry into misconduct in Parliament and the number one problem that came back was (ta da!) women bullying other women. And they didn't know what to do about that so they buried it.

This doesn't distract from the fact that you do not disrespect the office of Prime Minister. If you condone this behaviour then you're saying its okay for someone to be rude to ANY future holder of that office if you don't agree with their politics.

Don't like Julia Gillard? Tell her she's a witch as she's giving you a bravery award. It's okay - we're allowed to do that now according to you lot.

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