Mornington Cresent - The Questions

 
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

I've heard of it, but don't know much else.  Anyone care to explain?

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  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
I've heard of it, but don't know much else.  Anyone care to explain?
"Sonofagunzel"

It's a strategy game played on a map of the London Underground. There are 12 volumes of rules so it's impossible to explain them. The only way to learn MC is to play it.

Cheers
David
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

There's probably also a club near you. Most reputable MC clubs welcome beginners, and you'll find a lot of gunzels there too.

David and I are playing by the official rules (as laid down by the Royal Mornington Club of London), but there are a number of different systems, which is why it's good to make sure everybody agrees which rules they are playing before play begins.

The game is gaining popularity in the United States, and the American Rules make for a fast, exciting game, but purists claim they also cost the game some of its suspense.

Strangely, it is also hugely popular in India.
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
There's probably also a club near you. Most reputable MC clubs welcome beginners, and you'll find a lot of gunzels there too.

David and I are playing by the official rules (as laid down by the Royal Mornington Club of London), but there are a number of different systems, which is why it's good to make sure everybody agrees which rules they are playing before play begins.
"TheLoadedDog™"

The Royal Mornington Club and the International Mornington Crescent Society are almost the same thing. It's pretty much the same people on the committees of both.

Cheers
David
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
I should add that there is also a version called Chateau d'Eau, played on the Paris Metro. Are there any Societie Internationale de Chateau d'Eau members in Australia?

Cheers
David
  Tonymercury Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Botany NSW

The Royal Mornington Club and the International Mornington Crescent Society are almost the same thing. It's pretty much the same people on the committees of both.

Cheers
David
"DavidB"



And, as you might expect, the majority of committee members are also members of "The Baker Street Irregulars"

Tony Bailey
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Look, let's be frank. These blokes aren't exactly young. Any of them. Their numbers are thinner by the year. The respective societies are going to have to rethink the current entry requirements. Admitting women for a start.  And young people are put off a fine game by its port-and-cigars image.
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
Look, let's be frank. These blokes aren't exactly young. Any of them. Their numbers are thinner by the year. The respective societies are going to have to rethink the current entry requirements. Admitting women for a start.  And young people are put off a fine game by its port-and-cigars image.
"TheLoadedDog™"

There were a few unregistered clubs in Hong Kong letting women play prior to 1997. But they never progressed very far due to actions of a few in the British diplomatic service who has played on Alec Jespersen's team at Oxford in the 60s.

Cheers
David
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

Why the cultural cringe?  Why not start a game based in Australia?
  trainfreak Site Admin

So what exactly is it? I've read through the thread and still I don't get it..
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

Do a google search and you'll find all the information you need.
  trainfreak Site Admin

Thanks, I will.
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

I don't have the skill and finesse of others yet, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

So what exactly is it? I've read through the thread and still I don't get it..
"trainfreak"

Don't be put off by the arcane terminology. Just imagine how, an American say, would be bamboozled by his first taste of cricket! What with its, gully, silly mid off, square leg, etc.  They add to the romance of the game. The actual concepts though, will only seem hard until you've played it or watched a few games, and suddenly it'll 'click' for you. Just like riding a bike, it is.
  Tonymercury Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Botany NSW
But its more interesting than "Oh! This is my 9 651st Post!"
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
Why the cultural cringe?  Why not start a game based in Australia?
"Sonofagunzel"

There was a splinter group of the Hurstville(?) Morning Crescent Club trying to adapt the rules to the Sydney suburban network. They almost had them worked out when the airport line was finally announced. The ultimate layout of Turella really threw a spanner into the works. The on again/off again Parramatta link kept it on the back burner for a while. And now the new track arrangements at Lumeah/Campbelltown/Macarthur (thanks to ARTC) and the rebuilding of Bondi Junction need to be known before the rules can be finalised.

Cheers
David
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

I was thinking more of an Australia wide game so as not to upset the Victorians, but I couldn't work out how to modify the rules to account for different gauges and the distances involved.  Not to mention the headache I got in relation to the dual guage sections.  Are there any precedents I could work from?
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
I was thinking more of an Australia wide game so as not to upset the Victorians, but I couldn't work out how to modify the rules to account for different gauges and the distances involved.  Not to mention the headache I got in relation to the dual guage sections.  Are there any precedents I could work from?
"Sonofagunzel"

Not really. The Australian network is essentially a series of long straight lines radiating from each capital city. It doesn't have anywhere near the complexity of the London Underground.

The MC rules can be adapted to the Sydney network, and possibly the Melbourne tram network.

Cheers
David
  Tonymercury Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Botany NSW
Remember that other good versions can run on-

New York
Paris
Moscow
Vienna Trams

And the real toughie -

The Rhein/Ruhr combined tariff area.

Experienced UK gamers also do it on the combined LCC/LET tramway systems.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

I'm familiar with the Hong Kong MTR versions of the game (though I must admit I've not played them), but there exists a new game which differs so much that it is argued it can't even be called Mornington Crescent.

The game is known as Tai Wo Hau, and, whilst it is Mornington Crescent-based, it incorporates elements of Mah Jong, and also of Draw Poker. Stations are assigned "seasons" or "suits". I'm fascinated by this, but it's very new, and Google turns up nothing. If anybody has any information, or has played it, I'd love to hear from you.
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

... there exists a new game which differs so much that it is argued it can't even be called Mornington Crescent.

The game is known as Tai Wo Hau, and, whilst it is Mornington Crescent-based, it incorporates elements of Mah Jong, and also of Draw Poker. Stations are assigned "seasons" or "suits". I'm fascinated by this, but it's very new, and Google turns up nothing. If anybody has any information, or has played it, I'd love to hear from you.
"TheLoadedDog™"


I think someone's been having a lend of you on that one.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Mornington Crescent people having a lend?

Naaaaah.
  Tonymercury Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Botany NSW
Mornington Crescent people having a lend?

Naaaaah.
"TheLoadedDog™"


And we haven't even discussed the Tibetan version yet - the one that uses mountain top monasteries instead of tube stations.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

And we haven't even discussed the Tibetan version yet - the one that uses mountain top monasteries instead of tube stations.
"Tonymercury"


Hmmmph! That's still a sore topic with me. I still haven't forgiven DavidB for invoking the Kal'um sa'taar Sanction when I was on level 37 of the Ul'um Mahktari on my third cycle of the Cosmic Wheel....
  Tonymercury Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Botany NSW
Thank you Henry -

I have nicked the following explanation of the game off the web, but remember that you can't explain cricket to Yanks -

Mornington Crescent is a game which has baffled fans of the Radio 4 show I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue for years. Among their frequently asked questions are "What are the rules of Mornington Crescent?", "Does Mornington Crescent have rules, and if so what are they?" and "Mornington Crescent: rules, please?". Here--at last--written by the four men in the country least likely to be able to help, is a little book which goes little or no way towards answering such queries. Naturally, The Little Book does contain an informative section on the rules of play but as these are incomprehensible to anyone who does not already know them, the section never strays from basics such as the helpful reminder that if a player moves to such a location that there are less than two occupied bases between the location played and the next but one Shift Zone, Morton's Convention being in play, whether the Loop has been vectored from either Diagonal or not... then that move is declared under-struck.
The Little Book of Mornington Crescent offers far more than mere analysis. With painstaking accuracy, the authors plot the game's history, from its origins in the Roman Empire to its present day popularity as a subject for discussion on the Internet. There are detailed discussions of key games and potted biographies of some of Mornington Crescent's most celebrated players, ranging from Mother Anna of Widdicombe to Lord Nelson. Lavishly, almost gratuitously, illustrated with black and white photographs of dubious provenance, the book includes a comprehensive glossary and even recipes for such staples as Tufnell Pork and Shepherd's Bush Pie. In fact, so informative is this book that it may be prudent to recall Jeremy Hardy's words of wisdom: "If you've understood Mornington Crescent, nothing else in your life makes sense".

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