Upgrading the Powerline S car..

 
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
James.. Would they be used in 1968-1972?
"Henry"

According to the AE and BE PJV lists, the E cars got their Spirit bogies between 1960 and 1964.

1960: AE 1, 3, BE 31, 34
1961: BE 4
1962: AE 2, 17, BE 19
1963: AE 4, 11, 18, 19, 23, 28, 30
1964: AE 13, 24, 25, 35, 38

Not converted (or no record): AE 5-10, 12, 14-16, 20-22, 26-27, 29, 31-34, 36-37, 39-42. BE 1-3, 5-18, 20-30, 32-33, 35-49.

Note I'm using original car numbers, not taking into account later shuffling between the E classes because that makes it more complicated than it needs to be.

No ABE cars were given Spirit bogies; or perhaps there's just no record of it.

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  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
James.. Would they be used in 1968-1972?
"Henry"

According to the AE and BE PJV lists, the E cars got their Spirit bogies between 1960 and 1964.

1960: AE 1, 3, BE 31, 34
1961: BE 4
1962: AE 2, 17, BE 19
1963: AE 4, 11, 18, 19, 23, 28, 30
1964: AE 13, 24, 25, 35, 38

Not converted (or no record): AE 5-10, 12, 14-16, 20-22, 26-27, 29, 31-34, 36-37, 39-42. BE 1-3, 5-18, 20-30, 32-33, 35-49.

Note I'm using original car numbers, not taking into account later shuffling between the E classes because that makes it more complicated than it needs to be.

No ABE cars were given Spirit bogies; or perhaps there's just no record of it.
"SteamtoStay"


Sorry im confused.. In my era of modelling.. (1968-1972.. Do the S cars have the 4 wheel bogies that Auscision are selling?

Cheers,
Henry
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
Oh, sorry, I thought you were asking about the E cars. Embarassed

Uh, I reckon if the S cars were on broad gauge then, yes they'd have them, if on standard gauge, no. A total of 20 E cars got the S bogies, so I suppose around that many S cars lost them.

There were 16 AS and 14 BS cars, plus the CS, DS, Murray, Mitta Mitta, Wimmera, Moorabool, Tanjil, Norman and State Car 5. So of those, around 19 S cars would've kept their BG bogies.
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
Ok, done a bit more research.

From what I gather, when the standard gauge opened in 1962 the VR converted most of the BS fleet to standard guage for runs to Sydney, and they kept the AS cars on broad gauge.

Most of the AS cars stayed in standard form until the New Deal in the 1980's. The only exceptions I've found are AS 7, 9, 12 and 13, leaving 1-6, 8, 10, 11, 14-16 in original condition.

AS 7 was damaged in a level crossing accident in 1970, and scrapped in 1972.

AS 9 was converted to ABS 3 between 1956 and 1963, but then became an MBS in October 1968.

AS 12 and 13 were converted to ABS 1 and 2 in 1953; ABS 1 returned to AS 12 in October 1972, and a month later ABS 2 became BS 15.

The BS cars that did not get Vxx codes (in the early 1960's) were 1, 2, 3, 4, 7 and 8. The first four became, respectively, MRS 2, MBS 1, MBS 2 and MRS 1, while BS 7 and BS 8 apparently were kept in original condition until the New Deal. The MBS cars were converted in 1966-1968, and the MRS cars in 1977.

So for 1968-1972, your AS choices are 1-6, 8, 10, 11, 14-16, and your BS choices are 1, 4, 7 and 8.
  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
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  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
Henry, for what it's worth, the Auscision 4-wheel E bogies are correct for the S cars, except that they have spoked rather than disc wheels. So you'll need to swap the wheels over, and work out what to do with the spare E wheels.
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Given the bogies were originally fitted with spoked wheels it would be better to leave them.  Wink
  james13 Chief Commissioner

Location: At the Skunk Works
Just be mindful that the axles in the Auscision bogies are 26mm, not 25mm as commonly used. US wheelsets should fit no problems as most are 26mm. You need to get 36" wheels as well.
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
Given the bogies were originally fitted with spoked wheels it would be better to leave them.  Wink
"K160"

I thought the S bogies were disc wheels from the start, and they stayed that way until given E axles/bogies when placed under the E cars?
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Incorrect. They were fitted with spoked wheels from new. If you have access to the V/line video Line Of Progress you will note the spoked wheels being fitted.
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
Then when did the S cars get converted from spoked to disc wheels?
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Hi Henry,
S

I'm interested to see the standard of the Dogspike Models Z cars. I'll have to bring my powerline S cars up to match them anyway.
"EFB5800"


Just wondering if you can point me to details of the Z cars?
Cheers
Rod
  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
Hi Henry,
S

I'm interested to see the standard of the Dogspike Models Z cars. I'll have to bring my powerline S cars up to match them anyway.
"EFB5800"


Just wondering if you can point me to details of the Z cars?
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


PM j514 ..

1 car $160
2 cars $ $275
3 cars $360

Cars available will be
AZ,BZ and ACZ
Liveries for now will be
VR blue and gold
Tea cup
Vline grey and orange
WCR hybrid in Vline grey and orange with WCR logo
WCR Blue and white
"j514"
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Thank you Henry. Giving it some thought I went over to VR Enthusiasts
to see if it was J514, as he had done the power vans before I went away
Thank you for confirming Smile
Cheers
Rod


Hi Henry,
S

I'm interested to see the standard of the Dogspike Models Z cars. I'll have to bring my powerline S cars up to match them anyway.
"EFB5800"


Just wondering if you can point me to details of the Z cars?
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


PM j514 ..

1 car $160
2 cars $ $275
3 cars $360

Cars available will be
AZ,BZ and ACZ
Liveries for now will be
VR blue and gold
Tea cup
Vline grey and orange
WCR hybrid in Vline grey and orange with WCR logo
WCR Blue and white
"j514"
"Henry"
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Then when did the S cars get converted from spoked to disc wheels?
"SteamtoStay"


Not exactly sure. The 1937 batch of cars recieved new bogies when the Spirit was converted to SG. Anytime after this I guess.  Confused
  M636C Minister for Railways

Then when did the S cars get converted from spoked to disc wheels?
"SteamtoStay"


Not exactly sure. The 1937 batch of cars recieved new bogies when the Spirit was converted to SG. Anytime after this I guess.  Confused
"K160"


Wasn't CS 1, which became VHN 1 the only 1937 car to go to standard gauge? VHN 2, ex DS 1 was built in 1938.

None of the 1937 or 1938 AS or BS cars were converted to standard gauge in 1962. Only originally red painted 1940 and subsequent cars went to SG in 1962.

The dining car Murray had Commonwealth bogies fitted on broad gauge before it made any forays on standard gauge.

M636C
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
There have been articles written on the status of the 1937 batch of S cars over the years. Might do some digging and see what I can find.

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