What is Tangil?

 
  VICBLUE Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sydney Australia
Hi all

What car is Tangil??

I noticed its painted blue. any info will be welcomed

Dave

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  CommercialSRHC Station Staff

Location: Seymour
Tangil is a SOP Buffet Car, (long counter, with stool seating plus kitchen).

It is privately owned and earlier this year was relocated to SRHC, Seymour.

Current Status is pending restoration.

Regards

Stephen
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Right, so a completely different car to Tanjil then.   Wink

http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/sar_carriages/n_tanjil.html

I had no idea that this thread was about the buffet car until I read it. Spelling is important in this case - especially the subject.
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Here are two pics I took on Sunday:





Smile
  vrps Chief Train Controller

On the subject of Tanjil, what is happening to its old room mate at Islington (SA) Wimmera (VRS 2), it is supposed to be owned by the same mob that own the Murraylander, does anyone know what is going on with this carriage.
Wimmera and Tanjil at Islington 2002.
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
The spelling is Tanjil with a J, but there have always been carriages with recycled names. Saves thinking?
  d3_639 Deputy Commissioner

...it is supposed to be owned by the same mob that own the Murraylander
"vrps"


Can someone fill me in on what happened to the Murraylander cars?
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
The spelling is Tanjil with a J, but there have always been carriages with recycled names. Saves thinking?
"mjja"


That would be like the 3 Mitta Mitta cars.  Smile
  volts_and_amps_man Locomotive Fireman

Location: LaGrange Ill
Wimmera and Tanjil at Islington 2002
"vrps"


Ahhmmm???

Great photo of two STEEL cars there vprs!!!  However, unless Wimmera has had some amazing post retirement rebuilding then I'm afraid that one of these two carriages is not Wimmera!

Wimmera is a timber "E" type express passenger car built as one of three dinning cars in the "E" series.  It was a sister car to Campaspe and Goulburn.  After their replacement with newer stock (Hopkins & Avoca methinks???) the three old girls were converted to other uses.  Wimmera of course, became the Medical Vision and Test car, Goulburn a "crew dorm" and Campaspe might have been a hospital car during the war (WWII) before becoming a stationary classroom at North Melbourne Loco Depot.

One of the two carriages in your photo is definitely NOT Wimmera.

V & A.
  vrps Chief Train Controller

Ahhmmm???

Great photo of two STEEL cars there vprs!!!  However, unless Wimmera has had some amazing post retirement rebuilding then I'm afraid that one of these two carriages is not Wimmera!

Wimmera is a timber "E" type express passenger car built as one of three dinning cars in the "E" series.  It was a sister car to Campaspe and Goulburn.  After their replacement with newer stock (Hopkins & Avoca methinks???) the three old girls were converted to other uses.  Wimmera of course, became the Medical Vision and Test car, Goulburn a "crew dorm" and Campaspe might have been a hospital car during the war (WWII) before becoming a stationary classroom at North Melbourne Loco Depot.

One of the two carriages in your photo is definitely NOT Wimmera.

V & A.
"volts_and_amps_man"


Hate to break the bad news to you but Wimmera as seen in the photos is and always has been a S car steel carriage, I will attach a photo of Wimmera as released in VR service in it's original livery of red and silver.

Wimmera buffet car was released into VR service in 1938 as a full length 27 seat buffet carriage based on the S car carriages, unlike Tanjil which is only a 19 seat buffet with two compartments, Wimmera spent most of its working life up to 1954 as a buffet car on the overland then in later years it was painted blue and gold to work on the SOP and Albury express trains.
  volts_and_amps_man Locomotive Fireman

Location: LaGrange Ill

Hate to break the bad news to you but Wimmera as seen in the photos is and always has been a S car steel carriage.
"vrps"



Well vrps, you have my apologies, yes indeed the car shown is the '38-39 Newport constructed full length buffet, steel Wimmera, sister car to Mitta Mitta.  And, as you correctly point out, closely related to cousin vehicles Tanjil and sister car Moorabool which were Newport built in 1939 as short buffets with two passenger compartments.

However, there was quite correctly a timber "E" series Wimmera.  Two cars apparently carried this name (as there were two Normans - the earlier converted "Inspection Car" of 1900 [formerly "Perseverance of 1890] and then the later renamed former S.O.P. Parlour car......and also two Murrays, the 1906 built "E" series sister to Yarra and the later 1937 built full steel diner for the S.O.P.).

The earlier "Wimmera" was constructed in 1908 at Newport as sister car to Goulburn and Campaspe.  I believe the delivery of the all steel, 1927 built full dining car Hopkins (which later went to the Commonwealth Railways) and sister car Avoca sidelined the 3 timber diners from their primary duties.

As a consequence, other uses were found and the original Wimmera was altered to the new 3-berth (replacement for and older vehicle) Medical, Vision and Test Car in (you guessed it!) 1938!  This vehicle saw extensive use all over the State until falling into disuse in the early 80’s.  At the instigation of Chief General manager Hearsch the car was refitted and again saw service as the R.M.O.’s mobile consulting rooms, this time however, the car only travelled to regional centres and employees commuted to the vehicle, rather than it’s former role of making a trip over every main and branch line to each location.  Once again the car fell into disuse after Hearsch went to QR in the early 90’s (along with several of the most competent brains of then V/Line management…Hearsch took then with him!) and I believe this car may have ended up at Seymour.

Goulburn was altered from Dining to 8 berth Crew Car in 1932 and remained pretty much unaltered except overhauls, fitting of a gas cooker, the upgrading of the shower facilities (Ever thought that 3-panel, sliding glass shower doors are troublesome at home???  Well try them in a mobile crew dorm car…..the scene of much angst and frustration!!!) and the addition of end viewing windows cut into the saloon/conference end of the car during the mid 1980's.  This was done in order that there would be an "end viewing" car on both ends on the Commissioners' Train without the need to reverse the consist (by the 70's/80's, the Commissioners' Train was regularly a three car consist comprising of the (2nd) Norman, and SS or SJ twinnette sleeper and the Goulburn.

Campaspe I think saw service as a WWII Hospital car before becoming an Enginemen's Classroom at the old North Melbourne Loco.  The Department generously donated the carriage to the (former) A.F.U.L.E., however, by the late 80's the union was well aware it was unable to maintain the vehicle which was is poor condition and Divisional Council voted to hand the car over to the Seymour Railway Heritage Centre.

V & A.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Once again the car fell into disuse after Hearsch went to QR in the early 90’s (along with several of the most competent brains of then V/Line management…Hearsch took then with him!) and I believe this car may have ended up at Seymour.
V & A.
"volts_and_amps_man"
Think the ARHS museum had it allocated to them now and is in the museum, along with the diner Mitta Mitta, but it was stored at SRHC for some time.
  cpdbear Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
On the subject of Tanjil, what is happening to its old room mate at Islington (SA) Wimmera (VRS 2), it is supposed to be owned by the same mob that own the Murraylander, does anyone know what is going on with this carriage.
Wimmera and Tanjil at Islington 2002.
"vrps"


The orange one went to Tailem Bend and was still there in March 2005.

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