Guards van query

 
  watchdog Junior Train Controller

Back in the days of guards vans on freight trains,can someone tell me what it is called or where I can get a photo/diagram of one?.
They were beige/grey in colour
Had mirror/periscope setup on roof
Viewing windows either direction of travel [Same style as diesel loocos]
Steel
No visible LPG cylinder like camp wagons had
Used to see them as a child on GNR line ,way before digital  or mobile phones cameras,years ago.

Details appreciated



ta cam

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  bluefinn Junior Train Controller

Location: Bethania
Hi Cam,if you google QR rollingstock blue book 1992 and 1982 you can download them and all the info you need will be there actually someone here may be able to put the link on for you i dont know how to but sounds like TGV or TDL there were a few hope this helps a bit
Cheers Tony
  watchdog Junior Train Controller

Will give it a go

ta cam
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
There were 3 different types.  All of them had the Guards compartment in the centre, and accommodation for traincrew in one end.  The difference was what was in the other:

TGV,TGVH,TGVS:  These had a goods compartment in one end.  TVG's & TGVS's had sliding door access to this compartment.  TGVH's had roller doors.

TDV:  This had a Drovers compartment, comprising a toilet and a bunk/seat.

All the above were the same length.

TLV's were longer.  They had a passenger compartment between the traincrew compartment and guards compartment, and also had a goods compartment.  These are the vans which worked most of the last generation of mixed trains - Hughenden-Winton, Emerald-Yaraka, Maryborough-Monto.  Their underframes were used for the GSPE set, which carries their original van numbers.
  loco2600 Locomotive Fireman

You could add TLV also
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Hi Cam,if you google QR rollingstock blue book 1992 and 1982 you can download them and all the info you need will be there actually someone here may be able to put the link on for you i dont know how to but sounds like TGV or TDL there were a few hope this helps a bit
Cheers Tony
"bluefinn"

Download QR rollingstock book 1992 and 1982  
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1186343.htm#1186343
  Huggies Chief Commissioner

Location: DFC Land :(
You also have the MBV Guards van which was a modified TGV for use on the Sunshine Rail Experience.

I got some photos of one out on the scrapping road on the Port Alma branch in Central Qld. I will have a dig for them if you wish.

Last time I was in Coppabella they also had a TGV and a TGVH stored on a siding.
  coyote Chief Train Controller

Location: ..........On the other side of the Far side of the Black Stump beyond the back of Bourke.
were some draw hook and others auto couplers?
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
I theenk the TGVS vans were drawhook.  I'm fairly sure they've all been scrapped.
  coyote Chief Train Controller

Location: ..........On the other side of the Far side of the Black Stump beyond the back of Bourke.
I theenk the TGVS vans were drawhook.  I'm fairly sure they've all been scrapped.
"Johnmc"
Thanks for that, I remember something about a different code or a extra letter for either draw hook or auto coupler.  Smile
  rusty Junior Train Controller

Location: Bundaberg
I theenk the TGVS vans were drawhook.  I'm fairly sure they've all been scrapped.
"Johnmc"
 

There is a TGVS at Rosewood Museum, The TGVS vans didn't have draw hook couplers, They had automatic couplers which were long than normal. The over coupling lines for the TGV,TGVH,TDV & MBV vans are between 12033mm to 12035mm, where the TGVS vans had a over coupling line of 12540mm. It is shown on the diagrams in the 1984 rollingstock book. SmileSmileSmile
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
I theenk the TGVS vans were drawhook.  I'm fairly sure they've all been scrapped.
"Johnmc"
 

There is a TGVS at Rosewood Museum, The TGVS vans didn't have draw hook couplers, They had automatic couplers which were long than normal. The over coupling lines for the TGV,TGVH,TDV & MBV vans are between 12033mm to 12035mm, where the TGVS vans had a over coupling line of 12540mm. It is shown on the diagrams in the 1984 rollingstock book. SmileSmileSmile
"rusty"


Okies.  I do still recall that the TGVS seemed to be (mostly Smile ) scrapped a bit earlier on than the rest.  With the cattle traffic out here, we saw more TDV's than anything else.  We still have one here in the yard, which occasionally does trips on our tutor train.  It's good to see a train with van at the end, even if there's nobody in it. Smile
  coachdriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Rocky
were some draw hook and others auto couplers?
"coyote"

The T was for transition.  There was one type, maybe TGVS, that had hydraulic couplers fitted for use in coal traffic and rarely strayed outside the major coal systems.  These couplers sat proud of the buffers and did not actually have a transition link on the coupler and could not be coupled to drawhook wagons.  They did carry an extra length of brake pipe hose in the guards compartment so that if two of them were coupled, the brake pipe could be joined.
  bluefinn Junior Train Controller

Location: Bethania
Anyone know what the wooden vans with periscope roofs were classed as i remember a string of them out at Wulkuraka to be scrapped around 1990
Cheers Tony.
  bluefinn Junior Train Controller

Location: Bethania
John that van at Cloncurry is that the one (Tuitor)is that the one that was in RP a couple of issues ago? apart from infrastructure is there any use for these vans nowdays?like the ones huggies mentioned stored on a siding etc or you think they may be waiting scapping,BTW i know there are some grey vans at the museum ipswich dont remember what they are maybe someone here might.
Cheers Tony
  rusty Junior Train Controller

Location: Bundaberg
Anyone know what the wooden vans with periscope roofs were classed as i remember a string of them out at Wulkuraka to be scrapped around 1990    
Cheers Tony.
"bluefinn"
   

Tony, They were classed as BEVY vans. But I don't know if there were any that were saved. SmileSmileSmile
  A7EL Station Master

Location: At my desk
There are two guard vans at Coppabella, they were listed for sale on the Australian Train Movers website, but they are no longer listed.  There is another one at Jilalan.  I was taking a photo of the DH, but you can see the van in the background.

[bigimg]http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/a7el/DHELRCGV.jpg[/bigimg]
  bluefinn Junior Train Controller

Location: Bethania
Thanks Rusty im sure they all got burnt around 1990/91 as i recall this was the period of burning all wooden stock some real classics got burned back then BTW i still havent forgotton the part 2 of my list ive returned to work lately from sick leave and been busy with alot of work ill try to post it this week/end.
Cheers Tony.
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
John that van at Cloncurry is that the one (Tuitor)is that the one that was in RP a couple of issues ago? apart from infrastructure is there any use for these vans nowdays?
"bluefinn"


That would be the one, and my photos may or may not be in the article. Wink (I think.  I only ever saw a borrowed copy of that issue of RD.)

There is no longer any operational requirement for vans nowadays.  They also get used in wet weather, when gangs need to get to track damage etc, and roads are impassable.
  Controller Deputy Commissioner

Location: Banjo Country
There are two guard vans at Coppabella, they were listed for sale on the Australian Train Movers website, but they are no longer listed.  There is another one at Jilalan.  I was taking a photo of the DH, but you can see the van in the background.

[bigimg]http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/a7el/DHELRCGV.jpg[/bigimg]
"A7EL"


That van looks like it could be a steel TLV or TGV guards van.

Does QR still supply vans for drovers on stock trains?
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland

That van looks like it could be a steel TLV or TGV guards van.

Does QR still supply vans for drovers on stock trains?
"Controller"


I'd put my money on TGV.  Even with the photo perspective, it still looks too short for a TLV.

No vans on stock trains anymore.  They now get inspected at major centres enroute.
  richard Junior Train Controller

Location: brisbane
[Tony, They were classed as BEVY vans. But I don't know if there were any that were saved.]

I thought they were BBV (which came with or without periscopes[/quote]
  rusty Junior Train Controller

Location: Bundaberg
Tony, They were classed as BEVY vans. But I don't know if there were any that were saved. SmileSmileSmile[/quote]

Sorry Tony its suppose to say BBV vans. Well thats what had typed.
  andrewstrains Assistant Commissioner

Location: Townsville, Where else but QLD
I theenk the TGVS vans were drawhook.  I'm fairly sure they've all been scrapped.
"Johnmc"


Not quite all of them TGVS 1769 is in my backyard!!!!

I dont supose anyone has a photo of this van in service at all??

Andrew
  CSOYB Locomotive Fireman

Saw TGV 1794 sitting in a backyard at Paluma last weekend.[/quote]

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