FreightLiner's after crews

 
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
FreightLiner, the UK company that's going to haul Xstrata's coalies, is on the lookout for crews based out of Newcastle.

They're after Driver Trainer's and Driver's for both full-time and casual positions. As well as a couple of support roles. No trainee's jobs going yet though.

Click here to go to their job's portal.

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  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
Last time I contacted Freightliner asking for details on their terms and conditions of employment including pay rates they would not disclosed that information to me (this was after I applied for a job with them and they were following up on it). I know one ex-GWA driver who left to go back to the Hunter and who now works for Freightliner but I don't know what the company is like to work for.

Craig.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Last time I contacted Freightliner asking for details on their terms and conditions of employment including pay rates they would not disclosed that information to me (this was after I applied for a job with them and they were following up on it). I know one ex-GWA driver who left to go back to the Hunter and who now works for Freightliner but I don't know what the company is like to work for.

Craig.
"craigd"

When applied with freightliner last time, I was told the same thing that the pay, conditions etc would be discussed at the interview. But I heard that because they had to submit an EA, they just put together a bare bones agreement which would last a year and when they got mor employees would negotiate a new one (this year sometime).
  Termite Chief Commissioner

Location: NSW
I think it's quite understandable considering they are operating under a greenfield agreement.

However, what I have been told of their pay and conditions, Freightliner are showing they are a company that really have their employee's best interests at heart. Everyone I know who works for them doesn't have a bad thing to say against them.

Regards
Tim
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How will Freightliner handle the crewing for the new services? Will train crews be able to complete the return run from Newcastle in one shift?

--Bill
  Termite Chief Commissioner

Location: NSW
They should be able to on the coal traffic, depending on which mine they load at. The only concern would be Ulan and as this X-Rail partnership is only for "overflow" tonnes, I dare say, Ulan trains operated by PN would get preference and the X-Rail trains would be captive to the Hunter.

All this is guessing, I really have no idea how it will run.

Regards
Tim
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
They should be able to on the coal traffic, depending on which mine they load at. The only concern would be Ulan and as this X-Rail partnership is only for "overflow" tonnes, I dare say, Ulan trains operated by PN would get preference and the X-Rail trains would be captive to the Hunter.

All this is guessing, I really have no idea how it will run.

Regards
Tim
"Termite"


This isn't really a forum to discuss operations.

Anyway I have made some inquiries about Freightliners employment conditions utilising other methods and I'm quite disappointed. Lets just say that out of the three key operators in the Hunter Valley, QR would be the best, PN not so good, and by far the worst would be Freightliner.

Unfortunate, given that there are one or two really good things but they pale into insignificance against some of the key aspects of the overall conditions.

However it's up to everyone to make their own choice, and I've made mine (ie. giving Freightliner a rather wide berth). Others may choose differently.

Craig.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
They should be able to on the coal traffic, depending on which mine they load at. The only concern would be Ulan and as this X-Rail partnership is only for "overflow" tonnes, I dare say, Ulan trains operated by PN would get preference and the X-Rail trains would be captive to the Hunter.

All this is guessing, I really have no idea how it will run.

Regards
Tim
"Termite"


This isn't really a forum to discuss operations.

Anyway I have made some inquiries about Freightliners employment conditions utilising other methods and I'm quite disappointed. Lets just say that out of the three key operators in the Hunter Valley, QR would be the best, PN not so good, and by far the worst would be Freightliner.

Unfortunate, given that there are one or two really good things but they pale into insignificance against some of the key aspects of the overall conditions.

However it's up to everyone to make their own choice, and I've made mine (ie. giving Freightliner a rather wide berth). Others may choose differently.

Craig.
"craigd"


Get over your sour grapes sport Tim can post what he likes in this thread about FL as can any other...we all know why you have trouble in nsw dont we.
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you


Get over your sour grapes sport Tim can post what he likes in this thread about FL as can any other...we all know why you have trouble in nsw dont we.
"42101"


I don't have any trouble in NSW. Yeah my NSW safeworking has run out since I've worked for GWA in Adelaide for almost 2 years now. WOW. I could renew that any time I wanted by doing a course. I am fully qualified in all ARTC rules over the Defined Interstate Rail Network so that gets me further than NSW safeworking alone does.

RailCorp doesn't like me because I took them to task over systemic flaws in safety methods and procedures over the course of several years and lost my job for it. WOW. I moved on, got a better job, paying more money, driving more interesting trains, getting to travel all through the centre of Australia and NT and enjoy the spectacular scenery. And I get paid 'vacations' to Darwin like I am on at the moment.

This is the EMPLOYMENT forum so the discussions are about EMPLOYMENT not operations. Discussions about jobs, pay rates, employment conditions, etc. fit within the scope of the forum.

That includes talking about employers with poor employment conditions that others should know about before making a decision whether or not to apply for job that particular employer. That's called being informed.

Craig.

PS. I'm not scared to use my real name, unlike some.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
What exactly makes Freightliner conditions so poor? Like Tim, I have heard only positive notes. But I havent been able to ask freightliner first hand.

Cheers
Scott (I will use my name as well, nothing to hide here either)
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
What exactly makes Freightliner conditions so poor? Like Tim, I have heard only positive notes. But I havent been able to ask freightliner first hand.

Cheers
Scott (I will use my name as well, nothing to hide here either)
"seb2351"


Ok this is what I have been told after doing some digging:

- employees get paid monthly. Not such a big deal on it's own.
- employees only get overtime credit after they work more than 608 hrs in a 16 week block (equivalent to an aggregated 38 hrs per week).
- employees only get paid the overtime credit that they have earned once each year, on their 'anniversary' date (ie. the date they were employed). So it's like a bonus payment but it's not.

Also, there is no 'depot' as such in Newcastle - it's all run from a corporate office in Pymble and the communications with staff operating in the Hunter Valley is all done via email, including issuing of safety bulletins, etc. Perhaps not too bad on the face of it, but I see a big problem having corporate staff and operations staff dislocated like that, especially in what's basically a very small company (discounting the fact it's a subsidiary of a UK parent company).

I was told that with this new Xstrata contract, a proper local depot might be established. Even GWA has a proper depot structure in Darwin.

THe good point is the sick leave benefits. I am not sure exactly how it works, but a figure of 3 months sick leave was quoted.

THe union apparently did a very good job getting from the very basic and extremely poor original 'greenfields' agreement to one that's better, but the issues regarding overtime payments are draconian.

THe way it worked in the original 'greenfields' agreement (you can find that on the Fair Work Australia website) is a bit more draconian (the whole year was treated as a single 'hours bank') so in some respect the new method is partially an improvement, but it still is a significant advantage to the company at the expense of the employees.

Something else was said about pay rises of 4, 4 then 2 percent over the life of the new agreement, but the last 2 percent was tied up in some sort of unusual condition.

All that aside, the actual work is probably good, so most of the positive reports are probably related to that.

Craig.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
No worries, I have heard similar and it didnt phase me too much about the overtime situation.

Cheers Craig 8)
  Termite Chief Commissioner

Location: NSW

This isn't really a forum to discuss operations.

Anyway I have made some inquiries about Freightliners employment conditions utilising other methods and I'm quite disappointed. Lets just say that out of the three key operators in the Hunter Valley, QR would be the best, PN not so good, and by far the worst would be Freightliner.

Unfortunate, given that there are one or two really good things but they pale into insignificance against some of the key aspects of the overall conditions.

However it's up to everyone to make their own choice, and I've made mine (ie. giving Freightliner a rather wide berth). Others may choose differently.

Craig.
"craigd"


Craig,

If you look at the previous comment above mine, you will see why I posted my reply. As they say in the classics, don't shoot the messenger!
  Guerilla Radio Locomotive Fireman



This isn't really a forum to discuss operations.

Anyway I have made some inquiries about Freightliners employment conditions utilising other methods and I'm quite disappointed. Lets just say that out of the three key operators in the Hunter Valley, QR would be the best, PN not so good, and by far the worst would be Freightliner.

Unfortunate, given that there are one or two really good things but they pale into insignificance against some of the key aspects of the overall conditions.

However it's up to everyone to make their own choice, and I've made mine (ie. giving Freightliner a rather wide berth). Others may choose differently.

Craig.
"craigd"


What you need to remember is that it is still a newbie in the industry and as such is probably trying to keep operating costs to a minimum in the first few years, thereby maximising profits so it can gain independence from it's UK parent company.

This would explain the silly hours banks and probably also why they don;t have an actual depot in Newcastle. From what I've heard the system works quite well, all drivers are issued with a mobile phone and two way with charging equipment and have full access to the company's intranet.

I know a few of the guys there and they are all happy with the company and they say they are paid well for what is essentially step on/step off with the odd prep or shunt job spread across the roster.

They are also doing some Railcorp/ARTC work when it pops up so there;s a good variety of work for a base rate of about $84000. Nothing to be sneezed at, I'd be happy on a base like that and not have to work overtime.

By the sound of it Freightliner might be giving you a wide berth.
  Guerilla Radio Locomotive Fireman


Something else was said about pay rises of 4, 4 then 2 percent over the life of the new agreement, but the last 2 percent was tied up in some sort of unusual condition.
Craig.
"craigd"


I just spoke to someone about that and it is like this:

$80,000 on Greenfield Agreement (last year) + 4%

$83,200 for first year of the first EA (now) + 4%

$86,528 for second year of the first EA (next year) + 2%

$87,988.

The last payrise is a gauranteed 2% to commence EA discussions for the second EA. Any Other payrise will be part of that 2%. So in other words if the second EA gives them a 6% payrise then it will be 4% taking into account the 2% already given.

I wouldn't call that an unusual condition. Probably the only thing that is unusual is no other operator offers it's employees such security
  X_Class Junior Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
Going off all the info in this thread, for working conditions, PN is still the better package in totality.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
$87,988 = 3373.34 per fortnight before tax and other deds.
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
$87,988 = 3373.34 per fortnight before tax and other deds.
"574M"


One thing a lot of people forget when looking at rail jobs with various operators is to look beyond the basic pay scales and factor in other things related to the terms and conditions of employment.

Freightliner's conditions may suit some people, while they don't suit others. Likewise with PN's or GWA's conditions. Money alone does not make a job good or bad. And more money doesn't necessarily make a job better.

Craig.
  Xgentric Chief Commissioner

Freightliner is currently advertising for Hunter Valley crew with "Experience as a Train Driver or a Second Person" with no apparent closing date. From their questionnaire, they appear to be selecting for crew with current qualifications. But they may also consider those with previous quals and experience?

https://www.expr3ss.com/jobDetails.php?cc=rail&selectJob=37&ppt=9a1fadb0

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