How dedicated to rail is the ARTC?

 
  Dallas Station Master

Check out this oversight while the ARTC was is Cowra

http://www.cowracommunitynews.com/viewnews.php?newsid=5052&id=45

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  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
If ARTC was bothering to check over every truck for bumper stickers, I would be more concerned. They should be checking all of the mudholes their bargain basement concrete sleeper program has caused!
  Albert Chief Commissioner

I'd say they are just there from the people who make the warning signs.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
I'd say they are just there from the people who make the warning signs.
"Albert"


Albert
Yeah mate spot on. Very Happy

He and they are just having a whinge fest about the DG plates fitted to the truck body that on the last leave say truckies carry this country.... Hey idiots ALL Railcorp trucks have them too...does that help your stupid illinformed rant.....they buy the trucks with them already fitted by the truck body builders...christ some people draw a freaking long bow to have a whinge Rolling EyesEvil or Very MadRolling Eyes
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

I sense some anti-ARTC biases both in the link and in the initial post.

It should be reminded that ARTC, whatever their dedication is to rail, did not make the decision to close the branchlines around Cowra. They are just an infrastructure manager on behalf of Country RIC (The predecessor to ARTC) who own the Country Regional Network, encompassing all the branchlines which ARTC didn't take in the lease, including Blayney - Cowra and Cowra - Demondrille.

I'm sick of hearing people blaming ARTC for closing the lines in Cowra, and general anti-ARTC sentiment. The decision came from much higher, and further away.... like, Sydney!
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, but I'd wager that the supplier of the photograph and the poster of the link might be one and the same?
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, but I'd wager that the supplier of the photograph and the poster of the link might be one and the same?
"Sir Thomas Bent"


You must be a crazy conspiracist! Happy now?  Razz

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  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, but I'd wager that the supplier of the photograph and the poster of the link might be one and the same?
"Sir Thomas Bent"


You must be a crazy conspiracist! Happy now?  Razz

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"Grantham"
Yes.  Now excuse me while I just adjust my tinfoil hat.  That way, the lizard-men in the ARTC can't hear my thoughts and sell me out to the Illuminati.
  KymN Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney

....ARTC.. is the infrastructure manager on behalf of Country RIC.
"Maikha"

I'm with Maikha on this.  ARTC does not lease the country lines, and does not make the decisions to close them - try RIC and Macquarie Street for that.  Under ARTC management much of the baggage that persisted while RIC was managing these lines directly has gone.  The nineteenth century safe working is a good example.  ARTC has one role in life and that is to support rail.  ARTC (and the Commonwealth) have invested more $ and innovation into the NSW network outside of Sydney than the state railway did in decades.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
It is those in Macquarie Street that make the final decision on closing any line, Not ARTC - The people in Sydney tell ARTC what to do not vicea-versa  


Kind Regards
  FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner

I'm sick of hearing people blaming ARTC for closing the lines in Cowra, and general anti-ARTC sentiment.
"Maikha"


I agree with you about the tenuousness of connections between ARTC  the suspension of services to Cowra.  General anti-ARTC sentiment is my stock in trade, however.  I'm for kicking them, but like you say, only for things they're directly responsible for.
  X_Class Junior Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
To all of you suggesting ARTC is dodgy.....you are right!

They cant even update thier safeworking & TOC manuals let alone maintain the network! Give me railcorp territory any day!
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Instead of directing all of your anger and frustration at ARTC/RAILCORP or whoever, Why not direct it instead at the N.S.W Government, For they are the ones that have the money not ARTC/RAILCORP or whoever, They are merely servants to the Government


Kind Regards
  KymN Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Instead of directing all of your anger and frustration at ARTC/RAILCORP or whoever, Why not direct it instead at the N.S.W Government
"lsrailfan"

Best idea yet!
  craigfitz1 Train Controller

So what is the real story behind ARTC losing the contract for maintaining NSW country track? (according to the latest Railway Digest)

Also, what is the status then of the project to get rid of antique safe working systems to Griffith, Canberra, Moree etc? Is there anything happening here, or just yet more delays.....
  FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner

Also, what is the status then of the project to get rid of antique safe working systems to Griffith, Canberra, Moree etc? Is there anything happening here, or just yet more delays.....
"craigfitz1"


I understand that they were looking to implement a simplified (as compared to the existing NSW standard) system of train order working, but the project has faltered.  It can't be easy to justify a new system that is less safe than an existing one.
  craigfitz1 Train Controller

Fieldshunt,

Can you elaborate a bit? I am not familiar with the subtleties of various options for train order working.
In what way was ARTC planning a less safe system? Was it to save money, or to better reflect traffic levels? How would it compare to, say, QLD remote lines

-Craig
  FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner

I'm only saying what I've heard.  

NSW was always leery of train order working.  If I recall correctly, the system they eventually settled on (in the 1990's mind) is based on special forms, and a computer workstation for the train controller.  The forms have code numbers on them, the numbers go in the computer when the TC is issuing the order, the computer makes sure he doesn't issue overlapping orders, and so forth.  When the order is complete, the crew give the TC a different number off the same form, which allows the computer to release the section of line that was given in the order.

I could see ARTC wanting to get rid of both the computer (1990's software to maintain, anyone?), and the pre-printed forms with the codes (cost to print, distribute, etc).  Other states have train order working with just the TC, the train control graph, and a standard form (and crossed fingers, presumably).  ARTC have that whiz-bang ATMS or whatever system in the works, but I don't think it will be here as soon as they'd like, or if it'll cover branch lines outside the prescribed interstate network.  I'm sure ARTC would like a quick and dirty train order system to replace OTS and ETS in NSW.  Like I said, I heard they were working on one but it got canned.

Anyone closer to the horse's mouth, without my slinking mistrust of ARTC, is welcome to correct or improve on this.
  KymN Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney

I understand that they were looking to implement a simplified system of train order working, but the project has faltered.  It can't be easy to justify a new system that is less safe than an existing one.
"FieldShunt74"

Oh dear. I assumed that this had progressed. Confused I forgot that this is NSW, and that things that have worked perfectly safely elsewhere don't work here.  As I understand it, the NSW system uses a GPS 'watchdog' on top of the TOW system, just in case.  Happy to stand corrected as it has been a few years since I last looked.
  cascade39 Junior Train Controller

From the RIC (Rail Infrastructure Corptn) 2009 Annual Report

" Signalling Projects
The Signal Box Rationalisation program involves centralising the functions of six signal boxes on the CRN to train control centres at Newcastle and Junee. This project progressed well throughout the year and was competed in July 2009, providing significant safety and cost benefits.

The commissioning of signalling works at Griffith and Temora has enabled the closure of the last manned signal box in NSW and has finalised RIC’s Signal Box Rationalisation program.

TOW replaces methods of “token” or “staff” working which have been in operation since the early 1900s. The existing system requires all trains to stop at locations to “exchange” a token, which is the driver’s authority to proceed into the next section.

TOW is a modern computer and satellite communications based control system to issue train control instructions and monitor train locations. This system will improve network capacity, reliability and safety, reduce transit times and reduce the costs to above rail operators in fuel usage and extended brake life. Site works continued during the year as a preliminary phase to TOW implementation, which is programmed for completion by mid 2010.

The majority of site works have now been completed and a contract has been signed with Ansaldo STS Australia Pty Ltd to deliver and commission the software systems necessary to run TOW operations."

RIC ANNUAL REPORT 2009 .. (page)...15

http://www.ric.nsw.gov.au/ric/Resources/reports/RIC_Annual_Report_2009.pdf

&&&&&.....
ARTC 2009 Annual Report

" Advanced Train Management System (ATMS)
In June 2008 ARTC announced an investment of $90 million to improve capacity, safety and efficiency on the interstate rail network through the development of an Advanced Train Management System. As part of the investment, the ARTC entered into a Proof of Concept contract with Lockheed Martin for the company to design, develop, construct, integrate and test an ATMS prototype system on 105 kilometres of the interstate rail network between Crystal Brook and Port Augusta.

Lockheed Martin has engaged Ansaldo-STS
to assist with the delivery of the project..........  Page 28 "

A commonality of interest for Ansaldo - STS & hopefuly these train management systems presuming they will interface some time in the future ...??.... Wink
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
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"nadnerbster"


Well said.
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
Finally just how long is a piece of string QuestionRolling Eyes
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

I've noticed it's been a week now, and Dallas has yet to return and justify an objective for having such an anti-ARTC sentiment?

Surprise much?.....


..... not really  Rolling Eyes
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
How dedicated to rail is the ARTC?


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How dedicated to roads is the RTA?
How dedicated to insurance is AAMI?
How dedicated to pizza is Pizza Hut?
How dedicated to freeing Northern Ireland is the IRA?
How dedicated to petroleum products is the UAE?
How dedicated to media is the ABC?
How dedicated to garbage is the Daily Telegraph?
How dedicated to catholicism is the Pope?
How dedicated to hugging a tree is Greenpeace?
How dedicated to smelting is BHP?
How dedicated to eating children is the witch from Hansel and Gretel?
How dedicated to flossing is the Australian Dental Assosciation?
How dedicated to gene-propogation is Tiger Woods . . . ?
How dedicated to destroying women's self esteem is the makeup industry?
How dedicated to making great movies is Hollywood? (Actually . . . )
How dedicated to finding the X is Captain Pegleg?
How dedicated to making fake computers is Apple?
How dedicated to Tim Tams is Arnotts?
How dedicated to George Bush is John Howard?
How dedicated to finding more how dedicated to's is nadnerbster?
How dedicated to Thomas The Tank Engine is the Fat Controller?
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How dedicated to satire is The Simpsons?
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"nadnerbster"

Defintely the LOL of the day Laughing

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