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  dash7 Locomotive Driver

Location: melbourne
Hi,  I was just wondering how many people get train driver jobs after completing training at SCRT?, I had spent in excess of $2300 almost a year ago and have sent my credentials to every rail operator in NSW and to no avail, I was sort of guaranteed a position with the list of contacts in which half of those don't even work there anymore!, I even contacted a certain rail operations manager at Pacific National and asked if i could even tag along as a third person on one of their trip trains for sort of experience  and as he led me on and on and on I eventually rang him about five times and I was just a hollow promise, so what do I do?, I guess I just wasted my money, huh?. Anyway I am just whining again, if anyone could help me I would be greatly appreciated.

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  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
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  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
PN don't allow visitors to ride on their trains. Try a different company. Don't be frightened of trying mainline heritage operators either. Ring them all again, there might be more work than a year ago.

Be persistant, and quit whining.  Razz

M
  Onelongwhistle Junior Train Controller

Hi,  I was just wondering how many people get train driver jobs after completing training at SCRT?, I had spent in excess of $2300 almost a year ago and have sent my credentials to every rail operator in NSW and to no avail, I was sort of guaranteed a position with the list of contacts in which half of those don't even work there anymore!, I even contacted a certain rail operations manager at Pacific National and asked if i could even tag along as a third person on one of their trip trains for sort of experience  and as he led me on and on and on I eventually rang him about five times and I was just a hollow promise, so what do I do?, I guess I just wasted my money, huh?. Anyway I am just whining again, if anyone could help me I would be greatly appreciated.
"dash7"


Mate with Patricks now gone and PN looking to go DOO I dare say there a few spare drivers around so in NSW I was PN won't take any new trainee's for a while.
OLW
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

Dash7, Grantham is spot on with this one. Give the Heritage mobs a call, and see what can happen. You already have jumped the main hurdles of the Safeworking and (I'm assuming?) a Medical.


You thought $2300 was bad, I feel sorry for many people I know who've spent $50000 to 80000 on a pilot's license and are still looking for work  Sad
  X_Class Junior Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
PN will have a long drawn out selection process and other small mobs may be a case of who you know....

A $2300 safeworking school will not get you a "train drivers job".  You need to be a fireman before training up to be a driver. Allow at least 2 years, but realistically 3 or 4.
  beyerpeacock Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gorton Foundry
For PN, already having mainline safeworking will not guarantee you a job full stop. Unless you interview well, have a good resume' and are of the character deemed so to be required by PN they won't consider you anymore qualified than some bloke who's worked as a lifesaver at the local swimming pool.

Especially if you are only fireman or "second person" qualified. To be a driver you not only need a thorough knowledge of safeworking, but have engine and air qualifications, not to mention knowing the roads you're going to operate over like the back of your hand.

Aint as simple as rocking up expecting to get a drivers job handed to you on a platter my friend.
  tery84_trainee Assistant Commissioner

i may be a bit out of line hear but scrt do not have the best name in the industry and also  i know of people who have done safe working classes with art and once gained employment had to re sit the same classes
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
i may be a bit out of line hear but scrt do not have the best name in the industry and also  i know of people who have done safe working classes with art and once gained employment had to re sit the same classes
"tery84_trainee"


You might be a bit out of line...especially when merely re-sitting training/examinations is the point of your post. SCRT's reputation doesn't have that much to do with the original post, especially if you are going to make an unproven generalisation.

Not to be too picky, tery84, but it's common for new employees to be given refreshers and updates on previously learned safeworking, it may have nothing to do with prior training at all.

M
  dash7 Locomotive Driver

Location: melbourne
Thanks everyone for your response, about 6 months ago I sat for a job interview with PN southern coal at the Wollongong golf club and they said that any training with SCRT had no significance and that I failed to get the job as they felt I did not have “mechanical aptitude” as my previous work experience was more clerical rather than hands on mechanical, go figure!, anyway I will keep trying.
  LegendsofSteam Junior Train Controller

Theirs 3 organisations in NSW to my knowledge:
SCRT (S'thn Cross Rail Training)
ART (Aust. Rail Training)
CERT (Centre for Exellence in Rail Training) the latter mob was something to so with SouthSpur/Mementum Rail, never such what happened to it in the end, they were asking close on $10'000 for theor course, $2500 upfront & the other $7500 2 weeks after you gainned full-time employment. I took one look at the cost & ahh... NO! Twisted Evil
  tery84_trainee Assistant Commissioner

there is also instruction company in junee
  JTCs2 Deputy Commissioner

I was lookin at ART, i spoke to a contact in the industry about it, if it was worth it etc, and his exact words were dont go there, followed by dont waste your money.
I get the idea that if you want in, do it the old fashioned way, go in as a trainee and work your way up, yes you will get a qualification, but it is not job/company specific so you pretty much do everything again anyway.

JT
  BernieBaker Locomotive Fireman

Location: Parkes. NSW.
I was lookin at ART, i spoke to a contact in the industry about it, if it was worth it etc, and his exact words were dont go there, followed by dont waste your money.
I get the idea that if you want in, do it the old fashioned way, go in as a trainee and work your way up, yes you will get a qualification, but it is not job/company specific so you pretty much do everything again anyway.

JT
"JTCs2"


It depends where you want to train. Training in Victoria and NSW is done differently. In NSW you can complete a two week course and this will give you Cert II rail operations. This is theory only. On completion you can then apply for jobs. While these courses are not compulsory, it will give you an edge on those who apply for trainee loco jobs and haven't done a course. Potential employers may see it as "this person has put in his own time and money to have a go".

In regards to those who did training with ART and had to redo another class. Despite the fact the TLI courses are nationally reconised, some companies still prefer to do it their way while at the same time they will not except other training.

Bernie Baker
National Rail Training
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
Thanks everyone for your response, about 6 months ago I sat for a job interview with PN southern coal at the Wollongong golf club and they said that any training with SCRT had no significance and that I failed to get the job as they felt I did not have “mechanical aptitude” as my previous work experience was more clerical rather than hands on mechanical, go figure!, anyway I will keep trying.
"dash7"
That would be right. I applied after becoming redundant from signal boxes and didn't even get an interview. Signal Box safeworking qualification level is probably just above that of drivers safeworking and didn't help at all.
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
PN don't allow visitors to ride on their trains. Try a different company. Don't be frightened of trying mainline heritage operators either. Ring them all again, there might be more work than a year ago.

Be persistant, and quit whining.  Razz

M
"Grantham"


Only company I know of that expects new crewing staff to tag along without getting paid and without receiving any formal training is IRA (aka LVRF). I am not sure how the NSW rail regulator views this practise as it borders on breaching the Rail Safety Act since the person tagging along has no insurance coverage from IRA (or any personal coverage) and if an incident occured it could get messy.

Craig.
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
Theirs 3 organisations in NSW to my knowledge:
SCRT (S'thn Cross Rail Training)
ART (Aust. Rail Training)
CERT (Centre for Exellence in Rail Training) the latter mob was something to so with SouthSpur/Mementum Rail, never such what happened to it in the end, they were asking close on $10'000 for theor course, $2500 upfront & the other $7500 2 weeks after you gainned full-time employment. I took one look at the cost & ahh... NO! Twisted Evil
"LegendsofSteam"


Did Coote sell CERT along with their other rail ops businesses?

Now that POTA has expanded it's operations by purchasing other rail-based port servicing companies there will probably be jobs there in the future once they sort out what they want to do.

Craig.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
PN don't allow visitors to ride on their trains. Try a different company. Don't be frightened of trying mainline heritage operators either. Ring them all again, there might be more work than a year ago.

Be persistant, and quit whining.  Razz

M
"Grantham"


Only company I know of that expects new crewing staff to tag along without getting paid and without receiving any formal training is IRA (aka LVRF). I am not sure how the NSW rail regulator views this practise as it borders on breaching the Rail Safety Act since the person tagging along has no insurance coverage from IRA (or any personal coverage) and if an incident occured it could get messy.

Craig.
"craigd"



"Borders on breaching" and free work experience are different animals. If you're motivated enough to learn your own sidings by tagging along, then good for you! If things get "messy", ur doin it rong...it's like an IQ test.

M
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
Getting back to the OP's original posting, without relevant industry experience a course on it's own will never lead directly to employment as a driver, even with an organisation that has little or no internal formal training structure in place.

It certainly will stand well when going for a trainee's role as the safeworking training, etc. can be internally RPL'd against the company's own training program for operators that do take on trainees and reduce the time it will need to fulfil the remainder of the training program requirements.

But the main thing besides all this is to make sure all the criteria are addressed in an application. Treat any knockback as a learning experience and improve on the things that were mentioned as causing you to not be offered a position. You are ALWAYS entitled to ask for feedback.

Craig.

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