New Train Control Facility For CRIA

 
  bullring Locomotive Fireman

Understand that John Holland have landed the contract to build a new Train Control facility in Regional NSW. ARTC lost the contract to look after the NSW residual network and John Holland and Laing O'Rourke both tended with John Holland coming out on top.
Heard a whisper the facility is to be located in Bathurst.

Anyone shed some more light on this?

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Deal with JH to run CRIA has not been formally announced.

ARTC have not been formally notified that their services are no longer required - though they probably know its coming.

Transfield were also one of the invited tenderers.
  X_Class Junior Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
So the fragmentation continues...what a mess
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Of coarse if they were in the real world they would just simply re activate ORCO in Orange and update it as needed as all the comms feeds would still be there. Evil or Very Mad
  bullring Locomotive Fireman

if things were that simple
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
Be interesting to see what safeworking changes they make, especially where some are very badly half done. Evil or Very Mad

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  barryc Chief Train Controller

Location: Waiting for a train to Canungra
42101 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:04 pm

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Of coarse if they were in the real world they would just simply re activate ORCO in Orange and update it as needed as all the comms feeds would still be there.  


So where is the work now done that used to be handled by ORCO?

Thinks:
Geez, I remember when they closed DOCO down.  I must be getting old. Sad
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
42101 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:04 pm

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Of coarse if they were in the real world they would just simply re activate ORCO in Orange and update it as needed as all the comms feeds would still be there.  


So where is the work now done that used to be handled by ORCO?

Thinks:
Geez, I remember when they closed DOCO down.  I must be getting old. Sad
"barryc"


Broadmeadow West board.
  LegendsofSteam Junior Train Controller

So does this mean such things as ARTC's TAA's will cease?
I thought ARTC had the lease on the NSW Network?
  DrArtherGunzel Junior Train Controller

Location: Marsden NSW
Having being in side ORCO and TOCO in Orange and seen it running like clock work, why not bring it back as they crew there realy knew there roads and worked well together with hardly any rail incedents.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
Having being in side ORCO and TOCO in Orange and seen it running like clock work, why not bring it back as they crew there realy knew there roads and worked well together with hardly any rail incedents.
"DrArtherGunzel"


Because is was the people who worked well, not the location. They all now work elsewhere or have been relocated to Newcastle, and would not appreciate being relocated again.


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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
So does this mean such things as ARTC's TAA's will cease?
I thought ARTC had the lease on the NSW Network?
"LegendsofSteam"

ARTC lease the NSW interstate network and the Hunter Valley. They manage(d) the CRN on behalf of the NSW Government.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Just a question- Were/are there any grumblings/disagreements with the way Broadmeadow are running things at the moment- Just curious?

Kind Regards

*Edit i realize some of the problems may be bad Comm links between say a place like Dubbo and Broadmeadow for point changing and the like- It would save a lot of time If the control facility was locallised
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
42101 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:04 pm

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Of coarse if they were in the real world they would just simply re activate ORCO in Orange and update it as needed as all the comms feeds would still be there.  


So where is the work now done that used to be handled by ORCO?

Thinks:
Geez, I remember when they closed DOCO down.  I must be getting old. Sad
"barryc"


Broadmeadow West board.
"Grantham"
Some went to Junee too eventually.

I remember the closure of GOCO too Exclamation
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Having being in side ORCO and TOCO in Orange and seen it running like clock work, why not bring it back as they crew there realy knew there roads and worked well together with hardly any rail incedents.
"DrArtherGunzel"


Can someone please tell us what "ORCO and TOCO" are?

--Bill
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
Having being in side ORCO and TOCO in Orange and seen it running like clock work, why not bring it back as they crew there realy knew there roads and worked well together with hardly any rail incedents.
"DrArtherGunzel"


Can someone please tell us what "ORCO and TOCO" are?

--Bill
"freightgate"


Orange Control and Train Order Control.

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  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
So does this mean such things as ARTC's TAA's will cease?
I thought ARTC had the lease on the NSW Network?
"LegendsofSteam"


As far as the CRN goes - a surprisingly common belief around here   Bang HeadWink

The downside is that any synergy from ARTC maintaining both the DIRN and CRN is gone   Rolling Eyes
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

So does this mean such things as ARTC's TAA's will cease?
"LegendsofSteam"
Don't tell me this is all that you're worried about? Being able to access TAAs to chase steam trains? Evil or Very Mad

I thought ARTC had the lease on the NSW Network?
"LegendsofSteam"
A review from the horses mouth of the ARTC website here will tell you what lines ARTC lease from NSW, whereas the rest ARTC only manage on behalf of Country RIC. A great reference to look at is also another horses mouth on the Country RIC website.
  Sydney_Gunzel Chief Commissioner

Location: The Red Lines.
It's official according to GrahamH's post here.
  barryc Chief Train Controller

Location: Waiting for a train to Canungra
Grantham Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:54 pm

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freightgate wrote: ‹ Contract ›
DrArtherGunzel wrote:
Having being in side ORCO and TOCO in Orange and seen it running like clock work, why not bring it back as they crew there realy knew there roads and worked well together with hardly any rail incedents.


Can someone please tell us what "ORCO and TOCO" are?

--Bill


Orange Control and Train Order Control.




In the olden days there were

NEWCO - Newcastle control (Excluding the coal roads)
? I've forgotten - At Pt Waratah controlled the coal roads
SOCO - South Grafton
WECO - Werris Creek
LICO - Lithgow
ORCO - Orange
DOCO - Dubbo
GOCO - Goulburn
COCO - Cootamundra
JUCO - Junee

I can't remember whether train control at central station was called SYCO but it would be appropriate.

Here's a question though, why did they need a separate board (TOCO).  I assume it was located with ORCO in the pie shop (The District Superintendent's office) at Orange Station so why could not the Traon orders be handled by the Train Controller resonsible for the general working of the line.  

Anyway, what's so magic about train orders that they have taken so long to extend in NSW? Even in Australia they have been around since the Webb era in SA before WW2.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

When train orders were introduced into NSW the decision was made after a risk assessment that train orders using the electronic graph would not be used on a board using a paper train control diagram.

the method of train order working, whilst sharing a title with other paper based systems, was markedly different

the closest system in use in Australia was the Victorian system, that used an in cab display for the drivers order.

the NSW system had been planned to extend to a full electronic system, but unfortunately the break up prevented this from happening.

the suggestion to reactivate ORCO needs to be aware that the former train control centre has been leased and is no longer available for use.

However any historical feelings that train control should return to orange needs to be viewed in context and asked WHY?

with modern communication there is no need to base a train control centre

near where the actual activity is occurring.

This is demonstrated by Fortescue basing their train control centre in Perth for operations that are many miles away.
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
I can't remember whether train control at central station was called SYCO but it would be appropriate.
"barryc"
Sydney was and I believe still is SYCO.
  bullring Locomotive Fireman

newcastle was NECO

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