NE SG line, post gauge conversion

 
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

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The obvious sections for 160kph running without having to spend the earth would be Avenel to Longwood, Euroa to the base of the Glenrowan hills and Wangarrata to Springhurst. This would require newer high powered rolling stock such as a long distance version of the Vlocity even then for a stopping all station service the time saving is not that much.
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I just looked at Vic Sig and calculated the three areas you mentioned were 110kms in total. Add the slowdown for the stations along the route and I see your point. The question is having asked for 130kph speed, will V Line actually run loco hauled trains at that speed? Or will they top out at 115 -120 kph?   

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  woodford Chief Commissioner

Track work Seymour, Benalla

There are four spot teams (each team 2 or 3 excavators a hi rail tipper and a loader) removing and replacing old ballast in short sections. One is working just south of Baddaginnie, the other three are working between Longwood and Avenel. There is a much larger team that includes a tamper and ballast regulator working between Longwood and Euroa, today they were doing a long section a few K's south of Euroa.

The ballast cleaner at lunch time had almost reached the crossover near the old hume hwy over pass north of Seymour having started from Managlore, should have no difficulty reaching the start points tomorrow. It was still putting out the same percentage of rubbish.

It looks as though the total amount of ballast replaced will be in the order of 25,000 tons. The guys at the dump at Locksley said they had nearly cleaned out all the quarry stock piles of high quality ballast for a couple of hundred kilometres around the area.

Woodford
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Track work Seymour, Benalla

There are four spot teams (each team 2 or 3 excavators a hi rail tipper and a loader) removing and replacing old ballast in short sections. One is working just south of Baddaginnie, the other three are working between Longwood and Avenel. There is a much larger team that includes a tamper and ballast regulator working between Longwood and Euroa, today they were doing a long section a few K's south of Euroa.

The ballast cleaner at lunch time had almost reached the crossover near the old hume hwy over pass north of Seymour having started from Managlore, should have no difficulty reaching the start points tomorrow. It was still putting out the same percentage of rubbish.

It looks as though the total amount of ballast replaced will be in the order of 25,000 tons. The guys at the dump at Locksley said they had nearly cleaned out all the quarry stock piles of high quality ballast for a couple of hundred kilometres around the area.

Woodford
"woodford"


That is a heck of a lot of ballast
  woodford Chief Commissioner


The obvious sections for 160kph running without having to spend the earth would be Avenel to Longwood, Euroa to the base of the Glenrowan hills and Wangarrata to Springhurst. This would require newer high powered rolling stock such as a long distance version of the Vlocity even then for a stopping all station service the time saving is not that much.
"Woodford"


I just looked at Vic Sig and calculated the three areas you mentioned were 110kms in total. Add the slowdown for the stations along the route and I see your point. The question is having asked for 130kph speed, will V Line actually run loco hauled trains at that speed? Or will they top out at 115 -120 kph?   
"Duncs"


The N class's will cruise at 115kph OK and the BG pass's had no difficulty sitting around that speed although note these locos are somewhat unstable at speed. From what I have learned it is very unlikely many drivers would be foolhardy enough to run them faster than that even if loco's could do it, I have been told by maintence management that the D77 traction motor equiped N's cannot go faster than that. The medium term plan is to get some long distance DMU's these will have no troubles at 130kph and there much higher power to weight ratio will cut a good bit of time off due to far superior accelaration above 100 kph.

Woodford
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


From what I have been told the D77 equip locos are limited to 115kph. The original traction motors for the N class are the D43 from  what I understand these are some what smaller motors than the D77. It is possible the gearing will be different for the D77 motors.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


Light Engine maximum speed in Victoria is 100km/h
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


Light Engine maximum speed in Victoria is 110km/h
"LowndesJ515"


I wonder why?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Track work Seymour, Benalla

There are four spot teams (each team 2 or 3 excavators a hi rail tipper and a loader) removing and replacing old ballast in short sections. One is working just south of Baddaginnie, the other three are working between Longwood and Avenel. There is a much larger team that includes a tamper and ballast regulator working between Longwood and Euroa, today they were doing a long section a few K's south of Euroa.

The ballast cleaner at lunch time had almost reached the crossover near the old hume hwy over pass north of Seymour having started from Managlore, should have no difficulty reaching the start points tomorrow. It was still putting out the same percentage of rubbish.

It looks as though the total amount of ballast replaced will be in the order of 25,000 tons. The guys at the dump at Locksley said they had nearly cleaned out all the quarry stock piles of high quality ballast for a couple of hundred kilometres around the area.

Woodford
"woodford"


That is a heck of a lot of ballast
"Duncs"


The 25,000 ton estimate is based on 3 ballast trains a day each of around 1100 tons with the 5 spot teams each doing 100 tons a day . This later is very probably an under estimate as this estimate is based on the amount of track a team can do with the track carrying traffic, the west line of course has no traffic during the works. Both of these for 7 days, as the actual work goes for 10 days the amount could easily be a good deal more. This rate is some what confirmed by the rate at which the trucks bringing the ballast in are arriving at the dump site, this appears to be 8 to 10 trucks an hour each carrying 40 to 42 tons.

Woodford
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


Light Engine maximum speed in Victoria is 110km/h
"LowndesJ515"


I wonder why?
"Duncs"


Light engine speeds are frequently lower due to the lesser braking performance of a light engine.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


Light Engine maximum speed in Victoria is 110km/h
"LowndesJ515"


I wonder why?
"Duncs"


Light engine speeds are frequently lower due to the lesser braking performance of a light engine.
"YM-Mundrabilla"


Of course. No weight behind the engine to help slow it down.
  hidden Chief Train Controller

According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


Light Engine maximum speed in Victoria is 110km/h
"LowndesJ515"


I wonder why?
"Duncs"


Light engine speeds are frequently lower due to the lesser braking performance of a light engine.
"YM-Mundrabilla"


Of course. No weight behind the engine to help slow it down.
"Duncs"


Train brakes are more efficient than loco brakes. 
Also pretty sure light engine speed in Victoria is 100kph although Vline have done a risk assessment and now allow 115kph Light Engine running.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


Light Engine maximum speed in Victoria is 110km/h
"LowndesJ515"


I wonder why?
"Duncs"


Light engine speeds are frequently lower due to the lesser braking performance of a light engine.
"YM-Mundrabilla"


Of course. No weight behind the engine to help slow it down.
"Duncs"


Train brakes are more efficient than loco brakes. 
Also pretty sure light engine speed in Victoria is 100kph although Vline have done a risk assessment and now allow 115kph Light Engine running.
"hidden"


It is 100km/h. Typo on my behalf everyone, sorry EmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed

Is that a V/Line thing or ARTC thing Hidden re:115km/h L/E running.
  hidden Chief Train Controller

According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


Light Engine maximum speed in Victoria is 110km/h
"LowndesJ515"


I wonder why?
"Duncs"


Light engine speeds are frequently lower due to the lesser braking performance of a light engine.
"YM-Mundrabilla"


Of course. No weight behind the engine to help slow it down.
"Duncs"


Train brakes are more efficient than loco brakes. 
Also pretty sure light engine speed in Victoria is 100kph although Vline have done a risk assessment and now allow 115kph Light Engine running.
"hidden"


It is 100km/h. Typo on my behalf everyone, sorry EmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed

Is that a V/Line thing or ARTC thing Hidden re:115km/h L/E running.
"LowndesJ515"


A Vline thing (about 18mths, 2 years ago) and only on Vline N & As.  Without looking it up I think there has never been a LE speed restriction on ARTC teritory.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
According the the vic sig website, the N's can do 120kph. But that may be light running only.
"Duncs"


Light Engine maximum speed in Victoria is 110km/h
"LowndesJ515"


I wonder why?
"Duncs"


Light engine speeds are frequently lower due to the lesser braking performance of a light engine.
"YM-Mundrabilla"


Of course. No weight behind the engine to help slow it down.
"Duncs"


Train brakes are more efficient than loco brakes. 
Also pretty sure light engine speed in Victoria is 100kph although Vline have done a risk assessment and now allow 115kph Light Engine running.
"hidden"


It is 100km/h. Typo on my behalf everyone, sorry EmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed

Is that a V/Line thing or ARTC thing Hidden re:115km/h L/E running.
"LowndesJ515"


A Vline thing (about 18mths, 2 years ago) and only on Vline N & As.  Without looking it up I think there has never been a LE speed restriction on ARTC teritory.
"hidden"


Western SG i've sighted paperwork from ARTC which states you can travel at 115km/h light engine, never seen anything for the North East but always travelled at 100km/h
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Given the considerable amount of work done regarding the re ballasting. I was wondering how much of the actual track between Seymour and Albury is actually "in very good condition"? That is, it does not need any extra work done to it and it is up to standard as class 2 track.
  Serviceton_Kev Chief Commissioner

Location: Fecking here!
Given the considerable amount of work done regarding the re ballasting. I was wondering how much of the actual track between Seymour and Albury is actually "in very good condition"? That is, it does not need any extra work done to it and it is up to standard as class 2 track.
"Duncs"


Stupid Question time:- Why should it be a class 2 track when it should be class 1? After all...isn't it the main railway line between the 2 biggest cities in Oz?
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Given the considerable amount of work done regarding the re ballasting. I was wondering how much of the actual track between Seymour and Albury is actually "in very good condition"? That is, it does not need any extra work done to it and it is up to standard as class 2 track.
"Duncs"


Stupid Question time:- Why should it be a class 2 track when it should be class 1? After all...isn't it the main railway line between the 2 biggest cities in Oz?
"Serviceton_Kev"


1.  let it run down over 30 years so it becomes too expensive to maintain let alone rebuild.

2. it's a rail line so WTF cares Rolling Eyes


  Serviceton_Kev Chief Commissioner

Location: Fecking here!
Given the considerable amount of work done regarding the re ballasting. I was wondering how much of the actual track between Seymour and Albury is actually "in very good condition"? That is, it does not need any extra work done to it and it is up to standard as class 2 track.
"Duncs"


Stupid Question time:- Why should it be a class 2 track when it should be class 1? After all...isn't it the main railway line between the 2 biggest cities in Oz?
"Serviceton_Kev"


1.  let it run down over 30 years so it becomes too expensive to maintain let alone rebuild.

2. it's a rail line so WTF cares Rolling Eyes

"cootanee"


True...grubiment and pro - road lobby thinking there...I should've guessed! Bang Head
  St12NR18 Locomotive Driver

Location: Victoria
are they still doing works on the tracks ? I wanted to go to Seymour to do some gunzeling tomorrow but last time i went there there was only 3 freights within 5 hours.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

are they still doing works on the tracks ? I wanted to go to Seymour to do some gunzeling tomorrow but last time i went there there was only 3 freights within 5 hours.
"St12NR18"


The works are/were scheduled to finish sunday, I have not at this stage been out to see how the VLine pass services are going.

ANOTHER miserable day in the North East...........................Cold and raining, as usual for this year.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Given the considerable amount of work done regarding the re ballasting. I was wondering how much of the actual track between Seymour and Albury is actually "in very good condition"? That is, it does not need any extra work done to it and it is up to standard as class 2 track.
"Duncs"


These days I do not know what the offical deffinition of class 2 track, but prior to the current works ridng in an N series carriage  which are not the best riders VLine currently have, the ride is very good to execellent for at least 75% of the East line and from a little north of Wang to Albury on the West line. While the West line speed restrictions applied from Seymour to Violet Town not all the distance was real bad. The main sections were from Seymour to Avenel and (from memory and from the work that was done) between Creighton and Euroa. I t will be interesting to see what the ride is like now.

The West line was completely reballasted for most of the distance ( a short section through Mangalore was OK) from around the 101 km (a kilometre north of the high st lvl X) Seymour to the 113km (just the down side of the cutting between Managalore and Avenel and from around 146.5 Km to at least the 149km (the later point is 1.5 k's up of Euroa station).

I do not know what it rides like but it sure LOOKS a lot better.

Woodford
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Thanks Woodford


  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Given the considerable amount of work done regarding the re ballasting. I was wondering how much of the actual track between Seymour and Albury is actually "in very good condition"? That is, it does not need any extra work done to it and it is up to standard as class 2 track.
"Duncs"


These days I do not know what the offical deffinition of class 2 track, but prior to the current works ridng in an N series carriage  which are not the best riders VLine currently have, the ride is very good to execellent for at least 75% of the East line and from a little north of Wang to Albury on the West line. While the West line speed restrictions applied from Seymour to Violet Town not all the distance was real bad. The main sections were from Seymour to Avenel and (from memory and from the work that was done) between Creighton and Euroa. I t will be interesting to see what the ride is like now.

The West line was completely reballasted for most of the distance ( a short section through Mangalore was OK) from around the 101 km (a kilometre north of the high st lvl X) Seymour to the 113km (just the down side of the cutting between Managalore and Avenel and from around 146.5 Km to at least the 149km (the later point is 1.5 k's up of Euroa station).

The West line being the old BG line (and as as such being neglected for years) obviously suffered the most ballast deterioration. Good to see this being finally fixed.



I do not know what it rides like but it sure LOOKS a lot better.

Woodford
"woodford"
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Given the considerable amount of work done regarding the re ballasting. I was wondering how much of the actual track between Seymour and Albury is actually "in very good condition"? That is, it does not need any extra work done to it and it is up to standard as class 2 track.
"Duncs"


These days I do not know what the offical deffinition of class 2 track, but prior to the current works ridng in an N series carriage  which are not the best riders VLine currently have, the ride is very good to execellent for at least 75% of the East line and from a little north of Wang to Albury on the West line. While the West line speed restrictions applied from Seymour to Violet Town not all the distance was real bad. The main sections were from Seymour to Avenel and (from memory and from the work that was done) between Creighton and Euroa. I t will be interesting to see what the ride is like now.

The West line was completely reballasted for most of the distance ( a short section through Mangalore was OK) from around the 101 km (a kilometre north of the high st lvl X) Seymour to the 113km (just the down side of the cutting between Managalore and Avenel and from around 146.5 Km to at least the 149km (the later point is 1.5 k's up of Euroa station).

"woodford"


The West line being the old BG line (and as as such being neglected for years) obviously suffered the most ballast deterioration. Good to see this being finally fixed.
"Duncs"



I do not know what it rides like but it sure LOOKS a lot better.

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