PN "93" class delveries

 
  D3639 #TeamRog

Location: Melbourne, Vic
9303-9304 though Wandong on Saturday to Sydney 
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  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Here are some pictures of the cab of 9211. I hope this helps with questions.

Driver side #1 End


2nd Person side #1 End


Roof panel above 2nd Person #1 End


Roof panel above driver #1 End


Driver side #2 End, the holder for the removable controler is shown.

  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Similar but different . The major ones are Ice Radio  , two "Smart Displays" no 1 side , hot plate , no smart display on co drivers side only the compact budget sized digital speedo and distance counter . Also the co driver gets a few switches and the speedo/counter unit when facing the long end .
The hinged access panels (for number/marker/headlights/facing forward) , more switches etc on the co drivers side and less on the drivers side . This side originally had freightmiser in it but now has a blanking plate to cover the hole .  

Personally I hope the next retrofit changes to the 92s dash moulding to incorporate the hot plate . I'd lose the Microwave oven which would free up more space on the co drivers side to accept ICE radio and one smart display . And give good access to the 240v GPO .
Provided the GPS walking stick (fkarwe screen) can be kept out of the drivers side access panel I see no reason why the switches both sides and on the island control stand can't be the same layout as NRs have .

Having four screens for the primary driving position is obviously a problem and having a moving picture colour screen up high is going to be a distraction particularly at night . One answer may be to have the ICE radio permanently mounted on top of the island control stand rather than on the knuckle/pole arrangement 93s have now . Possibly the Freightmiser could go down low where the alternative time table clip is atm .
On the surface freight miser is a good idea but it relies on a clear run and zero speed restrictions . It will be interesting to see a new generation of drivers emerge that never knew a time without it . I wonder sometimes if it will eventually be a lead into in cab signalling if that rolls out everywhere .

My opinions only .    
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Like to see inside can of a 93 class loco, one day...
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Have a close look BDA, 92's have a hot plate. It is located above the fridge.
  D3639 #TeamRog

Location: Melbourne, Vic
Very Interesting to see whats inside a 92
  SMKondinin Station Staff

Location: Adelaide Hills
Some advance notice:

"93" class locomotive training to commence at Dimboola (Vic) and Adelaide depots during September. In prepartion to use these locomotives on East-West after the next batch is delivered.

It is aniticpated that a "93" class will work the Adelaide - Port Augusta Trans-Line Centenary passenger train on Friday 14th September (refer to SA pages)

SM Kondinin
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I never went very far in a 92 , about 2km from memory . I thought they did have the hotplate but wasn't certain . Aside from that trial with NRs on Cowan Bank and the trips to Melbourne all they were used for here was static training . 

No they don't have the porch down the back and yes the sissy bar is there to prevent you  from stepping from one unit to another when long end to long end . The forward ladders are further back than an NR and the top step spacing ensures you punch your shin into it all too often . Like 92s there is no steps or hand rails at the front so when you run out of sand or the windscreen wipers play up you can't get at them . Not sure if this is the OHSs doing or PNs , we just work to proceedures and it takes as long as it takes .  
  M636C Minister for Railways


Driver side #2 End, the holder for the removable controler is shown.
"Shacks"


How many of the 92 class are equipped with this rearward facing control position, and how many control units to be inserted here are there (if known)? I assume both 9211 and 9212 were fitted for the recent trials, but 9201 was certainly not fitted when new. There was a suggestion in 2008 that 9211 to 9215 were to be fitted for intermodal use but of course that didn't happen until the recent trials.

M636C
  UP9372 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Banned


Is that your Daily Telegraph BDA? 
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
If anything maybe the Australian . That your dinosaur -8 is it ?
  X_Class Junior Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley


After spending a lot of time on the CFs and 92s, I have to say the CFs are a great improvement (more responsive, smoother power delivery, quieter etc) and Intermodal blokes will be getting a good engine with the 93s. The last time I worked on an NR was out of SFT about 5-6 years ago, but I'm sure theyre a lot quieter than 92s. My only request for the CFs is...DITCH THE BLOODY MICROWAVE AND RETURN TO A HAVING A HOTPLATE.

Its good to see Intermodal didnt make the mistake of ordering those bloody chauffcutters from EDI that I spend an ever increasing amount of time on.
  Rail NUTT Beginner





Inside 9306.

Not a great pic but gives you an idea.
  BM3801 Lobster

Location: Go Hard or Go Home!
Something i stumbled across a few weeks back that would go well with people wanting to know whats inside of a C44aci cab. May not be the same as a 93/CF etc, but gives you an idea. 

Panorama of a C44aci cab XRN004
http://www.pano.ie/panoramas/misc/c44aci_locomotive
  D3639 #TeamRog

Location: Melbourne, Vic
Something i stumbled across a few weeks back that would go well with people wanting to know whats inside of a C44aci cab. May not be the same as a 93/CF etc, but gives you an idea. 

Panorama of a C44aci cab XRN004
http://www.pano.ie/panoramas/misc/c44aci_locomotive
"BM3801"


Very interesting
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Yes and there's the white elephant taking pride of place right in the middle of the dash .
Note the four screens around the primary driving position and in the 93 the ICE radio suspended from the pole behind the island control stand . That XRN looks to have Freight Miser up next to the access hatch which was where the 93s were originally fitted .
Sound wise 93s have a kind of low frequency rumble in 8 notch that seems to come up through the middle of the cab floor . They  seem to be a little quieter 1-7 but not in 8 compared to an NR IMO .
To sum up none of these NR derivitives really have enough space around the driver for four screens and no one I know from Melbourne to Brisbane wants the stupid nuke box , which gives the impression of being thrown in as an afterthought .   
I don't know of anyone who fell off the front or back of an NR and its a PITA not being able to check the front sand boxes or fix problems with the front windscreen wipers . They've found it necessary to block access so you can't get from long end to long end and you wouldn't want to be in a position where you can't get off a locomotive safely via its own ladders , was always good with NRs to step from one unit to another in these circumstances - like something as simple as changing ends with two units . Can't fall off a ladder or trip over in the ballast if you didn't have to get down in the first place .
The top step above the front ladders ensures you will bash your shins into the side plating all too often . The ladders need to be raised and made longer to fix this . It was not something Gonads botched when NRs were built .
Also other silly things like the rear of the inner cab door , the handle is a bit high up and awkward to use . One wonders how they got these things right 16 years ago and then screwed them up later . The attention to details like these is clearly not what it once was .

Not necessarily the opinions of any rollingstock manufacturer or rail operator in existance .
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
It's not a Freight Miser, it is a telementry screen for loading and unloading the coal trains.

Can we have some pictures of the NR cab so we can see how the 4 screens are arranged, all the pictures I can find on google only show NR's with 2 screens and radio's in front of the driver.

Thanks.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
They don't have four because -9 here only has one screen for loco itself , its the ACs that have two . The remaining two are comms and freight miser . An original NR meaning one with AWARE comms has three screens being loco comms and freight miser .
The problem is its hard to find places to put four screens so you have to either have the Ice on the pole 93 class style or put freight miser where that whatever it is in the XRN up high . Some think that would be a distraction as well as lights in your eyes at night .
I think it would have been better if the microwave never happened and one of the loco screens was over on the co drivers side with the other Ice console . That way the primary driving position could have a loco comms and freight miser screens like NRs do .  
Three screens on the drivers side and two on the co drivers side , its been done before hasn't it .
I think this is what an Intermodal Division locomotive needs in a mostly two driver railway . I think its what every division needs to have but for some reason Coal and R&B think otherwise .

My opinions only .
  M636C Minister for Railways

 
I don't know of anyone who fell off the front or back of an NR and its a PITA not being able to check the front sand boxes or fix problems with the front windscreen wipers . They've found it necessary to block access so you can't get from long end to long end and you wouldn't want to be in a position where you can't get off a locomotive safely via its own ladders , was always good with NRs to step from one unit to another in these circumstances - like something as simple as changing ends with two units . Can't fall off a ladder or trip over in the ballast if you didn't have to get down in the first place .
The top step above the front ladders ensures you will bash your shins into the side plating all too often . The ladders need to be raised and made longer to fix this . It was not something Gonads botched when NRs were built .
Also other silly things like the rear of the inner cab door , the handle is a bit high up and awkward to use . One wonders how they got these things right 16 years ago and then screwed them up later . The attention to details like these is clearly not what it once was.
"BDA"


The change in OHS regulations (now WHS, of course) affected all locomotives after the NR class and all locomotives built since QRN 5001 in 2005 have the present step and handrail arrangements. So there have been seven years for people to complain about them. I think I was told at the 5000 class handover that the NR rear step arrangement was specifically banned on any future units. There have been no changes in steps and handrails since 2005 so they can't be too bad and they are fitted to more locomotives than have the NR class arrangement.

M636C
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA



Inside 9306.

Not a great pic but gives you an idea.
"Rail NUTT"


Very good. Only negative it's built by the same company as the NR's! Wink
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The platforms at the long end of an NR are very usefull but can only legally be used in PN yards - go figure .
I wonder if the other operators drivers had any input into what their locomotives have .
Many things have past into law in the last 7 years but that doesn't mean they were necessarily good decisions .
More learn about those C44ACi top steps . If they are a hazzard something has to change - thats law too . Don't give a rats about anyone elses C44ACis because we don't use them . If you look they don't actually have a foot well in the side plate like NRs do and thats why the problem exists . Would not be difficult to fix - properly .  
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
When the NR's were built, in some places, you were still allowed to ride on the shunters step of a moving wagon or locomotive, now you can not. This is a PN rule as far as I know, but it may apply with other operators and access providers. That would be why the step at the #2 end has gone.
  X_Class Junior Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
Yes, riding on moving locos & wagons is now banned in NSW not just PN. That came out not long after a fatality at Botany.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I think you'll find it is or was an access providers thing and liabilities got involved . After the said incident it was outlawed in RC and ARTC territory in NSW anyway .
Have a think about PN yards and remember how many yards PN uses that it doesn't own . I don't think they own anything in the Hunter at all so that takes Pt Waratah and Kooragang out - as well as all the loading points . I think the only one they do own in NSW is SFT and if you don't go there , with an NR , you wouldn't get to see it .
We can't change the regulations but we know what its like to shunt with an NR using the end porch to go backwards . The person doing the ground work got an easy time if any distance was involved and had a clear view of what was behind the locomotive . There was nothing to trip over because you were not walking on uneven rail terrain and the person driving could see you at all times . Could shunt with radios or hand signals too . This is so far removed from riding a locomotive or wagaon outside the loading gauge let alone standing on top of a moving wagon .
Anyway outside SFT it is a no no in NSW and it does make some shunting moves more time consuming .
You get paid to follow rules and proceedures .

Not necessarily the opinions of anyone else .
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Subject to correction, Clyde and Coota are PN yards. As a matter of interest BDA, does much shunting happen at SFT without "TO"s and the "golf carts?

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