Decalling Austrains 4 Wheel Tankers

 
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Hi All,

I've got a pack of the undecorated 4 wheel Austrains tankers and a set of Shell decals to suit. For those that have already decalled theirs, did you apply the decal straight to the tanker out of the box, or did you apply some form of gloss coat or similar to the model first?

I seem to remember people saying decals don't take well to factory applied paint schemes (I may have that wrong), but more and more models are coming with decals for the end purchaser to apply: Bergs single deckers, Austrains end platform cars, etc.

I understand that the decals will have to be sealed with something after application. Again, what do people suggest.


Thanks
Paul 

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don't own these wagons, but I have never seen an out of the box product which I have considered ready for decals.

I'd be petty certain a gloss coat was required first.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
The primary reason for the recommendation to put water-slide transfer on gloss surfaces is because surfaces that have already been Dullcoted are not suitable. The reason is that Dullcote and similar paints contain talcum powder to produce the flat finish, and under a microscope it looks like a field of boulders, so there is little for the transfer to adhere to.

If the paint surface on the model is glossy, or even natural plastic, then you can apply transfers/decals directly to it. But a sealing coat over the finish transfer/decal is highly recommended to stop it being damaged. And that sealing coat can be gloss or dull, it makes no difference.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I would not apply decals to bare plastic though that is the colour of the model, decals adhere better to a painted surface so some kind of gloss coat may be required over bare plastic. If it is painted gloss yellow there should be no real problems though.

I found this out the hard way a few years back decalled a model onto a bare plastic body and after a few years the decal went all funny and simply fell off taking the top coat with it, yes I coated the whole body with clear finish as well to really seal it in or on. After it was repainted with clear again and redecaled it has never done this again and it has now been in service a lot longer that it would have been.

So it might pay to clear coat the model's tank if the tank is made of glossy yellow bare plastic.  
  bjviper Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisvegas
I found this out the hard way a few years back decalled a model onto a bare plastic body and after a few years the decal went all funny and simply fell off taking the top coat with it, yes I coated the whole body with clear finish as well to really seal it in or on. After it was repainted with clear again and redecaled it has never done this again and it has now been in service a lot longer that it would have been.

So it might pay to clear coat the model's tank if the tank is made of glossy yellow bare plastic.  
"David Peters"



Those bold and underlined parts seem to contradict each other....   Confused
  railmod Chief Train Controller

Hi All,

I've got a pack of the undecorated 4 wheel Austrains tankers and a set of Shell decals to suit. For those that have already decalled theirs, did you apply the decal straight to the tanker out of the box, or did you apply some form of gloss coat or similar to the model first?
"FirstStopCentral"


HI Paul,

I clear gloss coated my models before I decalled them, truth be known the yellow is a bit anemic & I ended up repainting my yellow one with Humbrol 69 (as recommended by Howard Armstrong). I then applied the SHELL decals  as well as the other markings/decals (by Kestrel).

I seem to remember people saying decals don't take well to factory applied paint schemes (I may have that wrong), but more and more models are coming with decals for the end purchaser to apply: Bergs single deckers, Austrains end platform cars, etc.

I understand that the decals will have to be sealed with something after application. Again, what do people suggest.

Thanks
Paul 


I clear coated over the top, but will eventually weather & dull coat. - Don't foget to detail the undeframe - pain in the proverbial but worth it to me, I've attached a few photos...





  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Thanks Railmod, just the info I was after.

Regards
Paul 
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I found this out the hard way a few years back decalled a model onto a bare plastic body and after a few years the decal went all funny and simply fell off taking the top coat with it, yes I coated the whole body with clear finish as well to really seal it in or on.
"David Peters"


Yes David, that would be a crap decal, nothing to do with applying the decal direct to the plastic surface.

It is wise to remember that every coat of something you apply to a model has the potential to make the surface uneven and to obliterate detail. In other words, less coats and thinner coats of paint.
  railmod Chief Train Controller

Thanks Railmod, just the info I was after.

Regards
Paul 
"FirstStopCentral"


My pleasure Paul,

As the Blacksmith says don't spray the clear on too thick or it could obliterate the detail, I believe the Silver and Yellow tankers have a painted finish & so may not need a coat of clear, but I did as a just in case measure, the black is the bare plastic.

Also don't forget to remove some of the weight from the model - it has been described on page 2 of the thread on the Austrains Four Wheel Oil Tankers posted by Dazz @ 15:22 on the 19th June 2011  http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11362341-0-asc-s25.htm

Cheers Alex...
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I found this out the hard way a few years back decalled a model onto a bare plastic body and after a few years the decal went all funny and simply fell off taking the top coat with it, yes I coated the whole body with clear finish as well to really seal it in or on. After it was repainted with clear again and redecaled it has never done this again and it has now been in service a lot longer that it would have been.

So it might pay to clear coat the model's tank if the tank is made of glossy yellow bare plastic.  
"David Peters"



Those bold and underlined parts seem to contradict each other....   Confused
"bjviper"


What I meant was I applied the decal to the bare plastic body then painted a clear coat over the lot of it. The decal then flaked off after a couple of years because it had not adhered properly to the plastic body and took out a great chunk of the clear over coat over the decal as well with it when it did come off. Not good to see or fix either.

No it was not a crap decal as I used the same ones that were left on the same sheet to fix it and have not had a problem since. I have noted that several oversea's model magazines say the same thing about decals on bare plastic over the years. It seems the surface of the plastic is to smooth or something and the decal will not hold properly in the long run. I have never had problems putting decals onto to painted surfaces though. Only those decals that break up upon leaving the carrier film they are either old or NBG to start with. A clear coat over the remainder on the sheet though usually get them onto a model in the end.
  Robh Station Master

Could someone advise where I can get a set of the Shell transfers from please.
  railmod Chief Train Controller

Could someone advise where I can get a set of the Shell transfers from please.
Robh
Hi Robh,

from memory my models where decalled with AM  decals for the actual "SHELL" signs as I think they are screen printed & thus more opaque & Kestral decals for the rest of the stuff, I believe that Kestral now also make the "SHELL" signs too. The AM decals I got from Casula Hobbies & the Kestral decals from Tom's (now Bobs) hobbies. Hope that helps.

Cheers Alex.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Does anybody here know if decals are available that state: "LOCO DIESEL FUEL ONLY" or words to that effect? I have a short, quaint, undecalled, bogie tanker of yanky origin (a "Roundhouse" model similar to this : http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Scale-27-O-T-Tank-Car-Central-Tank-Line-233-Roundhouse-3373-/390610877377?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item5af238fbc1 but modified to look more like a NSW wagon), which I would like to apply such decals to.

Thanks in advance...

Roachie

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